Should foreign-born ISIS members (e.g. Shemima Begum) be repatriated then tried or stay in Syria

[Zinneke]

discuss

[lfromnj]

Whatever the Syrian government wants . However she should not have been stripped of citizenship.

[ingemann]

She should be tried in Syria, it's where her crime was committed. I get why some people disagree, because let's be honest, the courts in Syria don't live up to any acceptable standard. But if you travel from a rich country with a functioning judicial system to a poor one with a dysfunctional one to commit crimes there, that's the risk you're taking.

[2952-0-0]

She should be tried in Syria, it's where her crime was committed. I get why some people disagree, because let's be honest, the courts in Syria don't live up to any acceptable standard. But if you travel from a rich country with a functioning judicial system to a poor one with a dysfunctional one to commit crimes there, that's the risk you're taking.

Perhaps, but a government still has an obligation to try to ensure fair treatment of its citizens abroad. Otherwise, that would open the door for every despot to take political hostages at will and prosecute them for made-up crimes.

As for the OP's question, there's an additional complication in that Shamima Begum is claimed to have been brought to Syria by a Canadian intelligence agent, meaning she didn't go there on her own free will. If true, then repatriation to face trial in her country of citizenship should be the only reasonable course of action.

Revoking citizenship should never be an option, unless it was obtained by fraud. Even traitors cannot have their citizenship revoked, since there still needs to be a legal basis to try them.

[ingemann]

She should be tried in Syria, it's where her crime was committed. I get why some people disagree, because let's be honest, the courts in Syria don't live up to any acceptable standard. But if you travel from a rich country with a functioning judicial system to a poor one with a dysfunctional one to commit crimes there, that's the risk you're taking.

Perhaps, but a government still has an obligation to try to ensure fair treatment of its citizens abroad. Otherwise, that would open the door for every despot to take political hostages at will and prosecute them for made-up crimes.

Yes, but that’s between Bangladesh and Syria. Also the fact that’s there no doubt that she joined ISIS is not in doubt is another factor in favor of leaving her in Syria.

As for the OP's question, there's an additional complication in that Shamima Begum is claimed to have been brought to Syria by a Canadian intelligence agent, meaning she didn't go there on her own free will. If true, then repatriation to face trial in her country of citizenship should be the only reasonable course of action.

1: He was an informer, not an agent.
2: He served as guide to bring her across the Turkish/Syrian border, she travel voluntary to Turkey with the goal of getting to Syria, so she was in Syria of her own free will.

Revoking citizenship should never be an option, unless it was obtained by fraud. Even traitors cannot have their citizenship revoked, since there still needs to be a legal basis to try them.

Removing citizenship is only against international treaties, if the person in question doesn’t have access to another one. People can disagree with it all they want, but that’s just a private opinion. Yes, I know Bangladesh disagree, but she clearly have a right to Bangladeshi citizenship according to their laws.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

No one should join ISIS.

[Zinneke]

No one should join ISIS.

But should they be repatriated if they are foreign fighters?

[ingemann]

No one should join ISIS.

But should they be repatriated if they are foreign fighters?

Should Seal Team Six have captured Bin Laden and repatriated him to Saudi Arabia?

[Zinneke]

No one should join ISIS.

But should they be repatriated if they are foreign fighters?

Should Seal Team Six have captured Bin Laden and repatriated him to Saudi Arabia?

No but an International Criminal Court is an interesting option for transnational terrorists in particular. (Of which ISIS is another example).

Bin Laden humiliated in a court is a bigger mediatic win that being shot in the head.

[ingemann]

No one should join ISIS.

But should they be repatriated if they are foreign fighters?

Should Seal Team Six have captured Bin Laden and repatriated him to Saudi Arabia?

No but an International Criminal Court is an interesting option for transnational terrorists in particular. (Of which ISIS is another example).

Bin Laden humiliated in a court is a bigger mediatic win that being shot in the head.

But that’s not what’s asked in this thread. What people demand compare to the Saudi having the right to convict or acquit Bin Laden, and USA should just hand him over.

[Zinneke]

No one should join ISIS.

But should they be repatriated if they are foreign fighters?

Should Seal Team Six have captured Bin Laden and repatriated him to Saudi Arabia?

No but an International Criminal Court is an interesting option for transnational terrorists in particular. (Of which ISIS is another example).

Bin Laden humiliated in a court is a bigger mediatic win that being shot in the head.

But that’s not what’s asked in this thread. What people demand compare to the Saudi having the right to convict or acquit Bin Laden, and USA should just hand him over.

Oh yeah I see...in that case you are right.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

While there's no hard-and-fast rule, I think that the likes of Shemima Begum should generally be repatriated (against their will if necessary), and handled accordingly in their home countries in a way needed to maintain public safety.
A citizen is a citizen, even if they start fighting for a death cult.