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« Reply #125 on: October 01, 2023, 02:43:15 PM »




Coming from a very anonymous backbencher who represents a safe rural district, and a fellow Floridian (who has also endorsed Trump btw)...
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« Reply #126 on: October 01, 2023, 03:01:20 PM »



Democrats seem to be sending signals they may bail out McCarthy
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« Reply #127 on: October 01, 2023, 03:04:45 PM »

Omar said she would vote to vacate today FWIW.
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« Reply #128 on: October 01, 2023, 03:16:15 PM »

It's probably been 100 years since any Speaker received a vote from a member of the opposing party. Democrats better not save McCarthy's Speakership without concessions.
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« Reply #129 on: October 01, 2023, 03:19:52 PM »

OK but Matt Gaetz is right.

They've tried to shut down the government twice.

The first time, McCarthy let Biden get pretty much everything they wanted.

The second time, the House Republicans' main goal was to abandon Ukraine to Russian conquest.  They succeeded but only because McCarthy made a secret side deal with the White House to do standalone funding for defending Ukraine after the fact.

So they're not getting to do the evil things they want to do.  What's the point of keeping McCarthy on?  He's not maliciously hurting America and he's not helping Russia, he should be replaced with someone who will.
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« Reply #130 on: October 01, 2023, 04:42:13 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2023, 04:46:39 PM by oldtimer »

OK but Matt Gaetz is right.

They've tried to shut down the government twice.

The first time, McCarthy let Biden get pretty much everything they wanted.

The second time, the House Republicans' main goal was to abandon Ukraine to Russian conquest.  They succeeded but only because McCarthy made a secret side deal with the White House to do standalone funding for defending Ukraine after the fact.

So they're not getting to do the evil things they want to do.  What's the point of keeping McCarthy on?  He's not maliciously hurting America and he's not helping Russia, he should be replaced with someone who will.
It's different.

Republicans want victories over a Democrat Administration, any victory even procedural.

If McCarthy can't get them, then he is presented as the obstacle to even the smallest of victories.

The whole Ukraine thing is because Biden is equated with Ukraine, so support for Ukraine is strongly partisan.

The main priority of Republicans is beating Democrats and whatever Democrats support at any time, that's GOP leadership weak spot, they need to oppose everything or else they are not good Republicans.
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« Reply #131 on: October 01, 2023, 04:52:08 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2023, 04:56:11 PM by oldtimer »

It's probably been 100 years since any Speaker received a vote from a member of the opposing party. Democrats better not save McCarthy's Speakership without concessions.
Democrats don't need McCarthy.

A Speaker Pro-Tempore would function just as well:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-HPRACTICE-108/html/GPO-HPRACTICE-108-35.htm

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.



Why should Democrats humiliate themselves by voting for a Republican for Speaker, when they don't need him ?
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« Reply #132 on: October 01, 2023, 05:40:48 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2023, 05:46:11 PM by Dr Oz Lost Party! »

Honestly, I'm not totally opposed to Democrats bailing out McCarthy, as long as they get some hefty concessions from him: no impeachment inquiry, votes on key Biden legislation, MTG off of Oversight Committee, etc.

If not, let the tw*t sink.
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« Reply #133 on: October 01, 2023, 06:38:21 PM »

Honestly, I'm not totally opposed to Democrats bailing out McCarthy, as long as they get some hefty concessions from him: no impeachment inquiry, votes on key Biden legislation, MTG off of Oversight Committee, etc.

If not, let the tw*t sink.

Might as well just sack him at that point.
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« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2024, 10:08:05 PM »

After an Ouster of a Speaker, the House would ultimately pass 7 of its own appropriations bills, while the Senate only managed three.

After a series of continuing resolutions, 6 appropriations bills were negotiated and signed into law by President Biden.

However, despite the package of the remaining 6 negotiated appropriations bills passing the House, it has hit a snag in the Senate (after passing a motion to proceed) due to disagreements over border policy.



Therefore, the agencies funded by the remaining 6 appropriations bills are shutting down as of Midnight Tonight (3/22/24). These are:

Department of Homeland Security (includes TSA and the Border Patrol)
Department of Defense
Department of Labor, Health, and Human Services
Department of State and Foreign Operations
Financial Services and General Government (potentially includes D.C. Attractions)
Legislative Branch (Congressional Staff, Library of Congress, Capitol Police. Salaries for Members of Congress are not discretionary and thus continue.)

The Shutdown is likely over by Sunday, and almost certainly by Monday, but still, welcome to Anarchy! We'll see what happens.
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« Reply #135 on: March 22, 2024, 10:52:39 PM »

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« Reply #136 on: March 22, 2024, 11:10:13 PM »

The Shutdown officially began about 10 minutes ago. We'll see how quickly the Senate is able to pass this.
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« Reply #137 on: March 22, 2024, 11:29:10 PM »

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« Reply #138 on: March 22, 2024, 11:32:54 PM »

In the past when there's a deal and it's just a matter of timing things just stay open so I don't think this actually constitutes a shutdown.
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« Reply #139 on: March 22, 2024, 11:37:23 PM »

In the past when there's a deal and it's just a matter of timing things just stay open so I don't think this actually constitutes a shutdown.

Correctamundo:

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« Reply #140 on: March 22, 2024, 11:42:59 PM »


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« Reply #141 on: March 22, 2024, 11:52:37 PM »

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« Reply #142 on: March 23, 2024, 12:00:38 AM »

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« Reply #143 on: March 23, 2024, 12:09:43 AM »

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« Reply #144 on: March 23, 2024, 12:18:42 AM »

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« Reply #145 on: March 23, 2024, 12:28:48 AM »

Not agreed to by voice vote: Motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R.2882, with Lankford amendment #1713.

Not agreed to by voice vote: Motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R.2882, with Lankford amendment #1718

Not agreed to by voice vote: Blackburn motion to refer the House Message to accompany H.R.2882, Further Consolidated Appropriations Act 2024 to the Appropriations Committee with instructions.

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« Reply #146 on: March 23, 2024, 12:43:18 AM »

Not agreed to, 47-51: Budd motion to table the motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R.2882, with Schumer amendment #1794 for the purpose of offering Budd amendment #1807.

Not agreed to, 47-51: Hagerty motion to table the motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R.2882, with Schumer amendment #1793, for the purpose of offering Hagerty #1808.
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« Reply #147 on: March 23, 2024, 01:04:02 AM »

Not agreed to, 47-51: Budd motion to table the motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R.2882, with Schumer amendment #1792, for the purpose of offering Budd #1740.

Agreed to, 74-24: Motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R.2882, Further Consolidated Appropriations Act 2024.  (60-vote affirmative threshold)
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« Reply #148 on: March 23, 2024, 02:01:35 AM »

Government shutdown averted by the skin of the teeth:

Senate sends $1.2T spending bill to Biden’s desk in late night vote
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