SB 113-8: Preventing Degeneracy Act (Passed)

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Nay

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I do wish not to be threatened by votes I made personally and in private. That is not how democracy works.

Laki.

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Okay my main issues.

With the original bill:

1. All references to toys need to be removed, seems overtly complicated and not useful or harmful enough to warrant inclusion in this act.

2. I agree with banning the following:
- bestiality or sex with an animal
- "ghoulish sex" or sex with a dead person (in particular because the definition of a dead person can also differ) and because human bodies disintegrate so in order to have sex with a dead person the person need to be recently killed.
- sexual invasion of privacy
- violent sexual deviancy

3. The following need to be improved:
- The infected sexual battery part, i agree with what WB amended, but I also want to have exceptions added in cases such as dementia.

- The sexual abuse of a minor part. I even disagree with the WB amendment, i feel like this need to be sharply improved, the age should be 5 instead of the 2 proposed by WB. However marriage as a minor should be outlawed in all cases (even consent).

4. I disagree with the following and those need to be removed

- unlawful late-term abortion
- incest imo should be legal

5. The following need to be addressed and I would support those being added

- Voyeurism / agressive forms of stalking

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The WB amendment I do disagree with too because they don't tackle these issues, only some, while I dislike the following part added:

5. All mentions of "non-consensually" or "by force, threat, or intimidation" shall not apply to situations where said force, threat, intimidation, or lack of consent is consensually simulated for the purposes of roleplay throughout the entire sexual act. This subsection shall, however, not be construed to mean illegal consensual acts such as incest are legal.

For the reason that non-consensuality is vague and that some can claims ome individuals did non-consensually agree with kidnapping, threat, intimidation etc. with the acts being said, in particular given there is such thing as the Stockholm Syndrome or because these might be traumatized. I do not want that clause to be added. There simply would not be a complaint if an act was done non-consensually and in a private room.

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Starting from Mr. R's approved parts of WB's amendment, i want to request the following amendment:

1. Re-arranging the order in a less confusing ones (toy parts after the other parts)
2. Changing legality of sexual contact with a minor from 2 years to 5 years (for sexual abuse of a minor)
3. Removing incest

PREVENTING DEGENERACY ACT

TITLE I: DEFINITIONS

2. 1. Bestiality means knowingly:
 
A. engaging in sexual contact with a non-human animal;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact with a non-human animal;

C. advertising, soliciting, importing, transporting, offering, selling, purchasing, financing, or possessing a non-human animal with the intent that the animal be subject to sexual contact with a human;

D. permitting sexual contact with a non-human animal to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

E. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact with a non-human animal; or

F. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact with a non-human animal.

3. 2. Ghoulish sex means:

A. Engaging in sexual contact with a dead human body, regardless of the consent of the deceased person prior to death or of his or her estate. For purposes of this definition, knowing participation in group sex activities while a dead human body is present shall be considered ghoulish sex.

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

E. advertising, soliciting, importing, transporting, offering, selling, purchasing, financing, or possessing a dead human body with the intent that the dead human body be used in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition; or

F. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact with a dead human body.

4. Incest means knowingly:

A. Engaging in sexual contact with, either legitimately or illegitimately:

i. his or her ancestor or descendant by blood or adoption, or the spouse thereof;

ii. his or her brother or sister of the whole or half-blood or by adoption, or the spouse thereof; or

iii. his or her uncle, aunt, nephew, or niece of the half or quarter blood or by adoption, or the spouse thereof.

For purposes of this definition, participation in group sex activities while any of the preceding relatives are also contemporaneous participants shall be considered incest;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

5. 3. Infected sexual battery means knowingly:

A. after being diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease (STD) engaging in sexual behavior that poses a substantial risk of transmission to another person with the intent to transmit the infection to that person without informing them of said STD.

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition, and including cases where all have been informed of the STD;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition; or

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

7. 4. sexual abuse of a minor means, with or without finance consideration:

A. as an adult, engaging in sexual contact with a minor child more than two (2) five (5) years their junior or marrying a minor child, or in violation of the statutory rape or marriage laws of the Region in which such sexual contact or marriage occurs;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact or marriage as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact or marriage as described in Section A of this definition; or

F. soliciting for prostitution a law enforcement officer who is posing as a minor or a person who is assisting law enforcement by posing as a minor, provided such purported minor-status is known to the person so soliciting.

8. 5. sexual invasion of privacy means:

A. knowingly and intentionally creating any videographic or still image record by any means whatsoever of any nonconsenting person if that person is totally nude, clad in undergarments, or in a state of undress so as to expose the genitals, pubic area, buttocks or breast in a restroom, dressing room, locker room, hotel room, motel room, tanning bed, tanning booth, bedroom or other location or the videographic or still image record is created by placing the lens or image-gathering component of the recording device in a position directly beneath or between a person's legs for the purpose of capturing an image of the person's intimate parts or undergarments covering those intimate parts when the intimate parts or undergarments would not otherwise be visible to the general public; and when the circumstances set herein are otherwise such that the person being recorded would have a reasonable expectation of privacy. The provisions of this section shall not apply to videographic or still image by law-enforcement officers pursuant to a criminal investigation which is otherwise lawful or correctional or jail officials for security purposes or for investigations of alleged misconduct involving an imprisoned person, or to any sound recording of an oral conversation made as a result of any videotaping or filming authorized by law; or

B. with the intent to coerce, harass, embarrass, or intimidate, maliciously disseminating or selling any videographic or still image created by any means whatsoever that depicts another person who is totally nude, or in a state of undress so as to expose the genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or breast, where such person knows or has reason to know that he or she is not licensed or authorized to disseminate or sell such videographic or still image. For purposes of this section, another person includes but is not limited to a person whose image was used in creating, adapting, or modifying a videographic or still image with the intent to depict an actual person and who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic.

9. 6. violent sexual deviancy means:

A. engaging in sexual contact with a person who is enslaved, in captivity, non-consensually bound or restrained, or being subject to violence, torture, or sadomasochistic abuse;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition or of rape; or

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

1. 7 Assault Toy means any stuffed animal or children's toy incorporating a sex toy or a BDSM costume.

6. 8. Obscene or dangerous sex toy means:

A. Any assault toy

B. any sex doll designed to appear as a non-human animal, including but not limited to a fictitious or mythical animal. This shall not include any equipment utilized in animal husbandry or breeding; or

TITLE II: PROHIBITIONS

1. It shall be unlawful for any person to, upon any federal property or leasehold, over federal electromagnetic spectrum, through the postal service, upon or over the property, facilities, utilities, vehicles, networks, or conveyances of any federally owned or regulated common carrier or internet service provider, or participate or travel in interstate or foreign commerce to:

A. engage in bestiality, ghoulish sex, incest, infected sexual battery, sexual abuse of a minor, sexual invasion of privacy, or violent sexual deviancy;

B. manufacture, import, transport, sell, finance, produce, publish, distribute, advertise, or possess with intent to manufacture, transport, sell, finance, produce, publish, distribute, or advertise any obscene or dangerous sex toy or any obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person using an obscene or dangerous sex toy.
  
2. It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly finance or attempt or prepare to finance any item or criminal act prohibited by this law or the Community Standards Act. For purposes of this provision, knowingly finance includes but is not limited to processing or facilitating payments by any bank, credit card company, or payment processor to any business, company, or website that hosts any item prohibited by this law or the Community Standards Act if such bank, credit card company, or payment processor has been informed of such hosting by the Attorney General of Atlasia or of any Region in Atlasia, by any court in Atlasia, by any law enforcement officer pursuant to an investigation, or by a sworn affidavit by any person that is easily or readily verifiable.

3. A violation of this act shall be classified as a felony punishable by imprisonment for no less than one (1) and no more than ten (10) years, a fine of no more than $100,000.00, and disgorgement of any profits. Any person convicted of a violation of section 1 of this title shall be required to register as a sex offender an shall be ordered to attend an appropriate treatment program or obtain psychiatric or psychological counseling.

4. Any prohibited item seized pursuant to the enforcement of this law shall be subject to forfeiture.

5. This act shall take effect ten (10) days from the date of passage.

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Another request

Can in part I (TITLE I: DEFINITIONS) the definitions of STD's be added for the "Infected sexual battery".

1. Is herpes simplex included in STD giving that is non-genital herpes, but can still be transmitted by a simple kiss?

2. What is being seen as sexual behavior? Or sexual contact. Because that's a vague term.

3. Are minors in this case included in the "infected sexual battery part"?

4. How does one proof or disproof that they were aware they were carrying a STD, esp. if accused and they were undiagnosed before the sexual act. And more importantly how is "with the intent to transmit the infection to that person" proven, unless there is deniable evidence (chat history), this can basically never be proven.

5. Will this promote people not attending a doctor, gyneacologist for an SDT because they know if they'll be diagnosed that they'll be committing a crime in case they have sex with another, like if one suspects they're carrying the mPox virus. And how does one prove that assumption or disprove?

6. Are people with AIDS in this case allowed to have sex - like ever?

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24 hours to object to I believe the 2? Laki Amendments.

Currently only 1, but i'm thinking of removing the infected sexual battery part as well because it has way too many issues that i believe cannot be resolved.

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Second amendment I propose to remove Infected Sexual Battery Part based on the concerns i have. I'm not necessarily against "the intent", but I believe it opens more practical difficulties (legally) and creates more issues than that it removes.

PREVENTING DEGENERACY ACT

TITLE I: DEFINITIONS

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5. Infected sexual battery means knowingly:

A. after being diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease (STD) engaging in sexual behavior that poses a substantial risk of transmission to another person with the intent to transmit the infection to that person without informing them of said STD.

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition, and including cases where all have been informed of the STD;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition; or

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

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TITLE II: PROHIBITIONS

1. It shall be unlawful for any person to, upon any federal property or leasehold, over federal electromagnetic spectrum, through the postal service, upon or over the property, facilities, utilities, vehicles, networks, or conveyances of any federally owned or regulated common carrier or internet service provider, or participate or travel in interstate or foreign commerce to:

A. engage in bestiality, ghoulish sex, incest, infected sexual battery, sexual abuse of a minor, sexual invasion of privacy, or violent sexual deviancy;

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Starting from Mr. R's approved parts of WB's amendment, i want to request the following amendment:

1. Re-arranging the order in a less confusing ones (toy parts after the other parts)
2. Changing legality of sexual contact with a minor from 2 years to 5 years (for sexual abuse of a minor)
3. Removing incest

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I would approve of this amendment except for #2. I believe it is important to maintain the two year age difference limit for 18 year olds since the age of consent in many states IRL is 16, not 13.

I accept your request (and remove that change from the proposed amendment).

But I want to open the discussion, given i think

1. Age of consent at the age of 16 is maybe a tad too high (is it 16 in Atlasia?). If so, i want to lower that.

2. I personally think someone at the age of 16 should be able to have sex up to someone of 21 years old, tho someone of 13 y/o having sex with someone having sex of 18 year olds is indeed weird, so what I would propose

1. No major is allowed to have sex with people below the age of 16 y/o in any circumstances
2. People of 16-17 y/o would have the difference of 5 years applied to them

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Re-editing my first amendment to adress LT's concerns

(the second amendment is unaffected by this)

so this is still being done in my first amendment.

1. Re-arranging the order in a less confusing ones (toy parts after the other parts)
2. Removing incest

PREVENTING DEGENERACY ACT

TITLE I: DEFINITIONS

2. 1. Bestiality means knowingly:
 
A. engaging in sexual contact with a non-human animal;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact with a non-human animal;

C. advertising, soliciting, importing, transporting, offering, selling, purchasing, financing, or possessing a non-human animal with the intent that the animal be subject to sexual contact with a human;

D. permitting sexual contact with a non-human animal to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

E. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact with a non-human animal; or

F. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact with a non-human animal.

3. 2. Ghoulish sex means:

A. Engaging in sexual contact with a dead human body, regardless of the consent of the deceased person prior to death or of his or her estate. For purposes of this definition, knowing participation in group sex activities while a dead human body is present shall be considered ghoulish sex.

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

E. advertising, soliciting, importing, transporting, offering, selling, purchasing, financing, or possessing a dead human body with the intent that the dead human body be used in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition; or

F. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact with a dead human body.

4. Incest means knowingly:

A. Engaging in sexual contact with, either legitimately or illegitimately:

i. his or her ancestor or descendant by blood or adoption, or the spouse thereof;

ii. his or her brother or sister of the whole or half-blood or by adoption, or the spouse thereof; or

iii. his or her uncle, aunt, nephew, or niece of the half or quarter blood or by adoption, or the spouse thereof.

For purposes of this definition, participation in group sex activities while any of the preceding relatives are also contemporaneous participants shall be considered incest;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

5. 3. Infected sexual battery means knowingly:

A. after being diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease (STD) engaging in sexual behavior that poses a substantial risk of transmission to another person with the intent to transmit the infection to that person without informing them of said STD.

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition, and including cases where all have been informed of the STD;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition; or

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

7. 4. sexual abuse of a minor means, with or without finance consideration:

A. as an adult, engaging in sexual contact with a minor child more than two (2) years their junior or marrying a minor child, or in violation of the statutory rape or marriage laws of the Region in which such sexual contact or marriage occurs;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact or marriage as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact or marriage as described in Section A of this definition; or

F. soliciting for prostitution a law enforcement officer who is posing as a minor or a person who is assisting law enforcement by posing as a minor, provided such purported minor-status is known to the person so soliciting.

8. 5. sexual invasion of privacy means:

A. knowingly and intentionally creating any videographic or still image record by any means whatsoever of any nonconsenting person if that person is totally nude, clad in undergarments, or in a state of undress so as to expose the genitals, pubic area, buttocks or breast in a restroom, dressing room, locker room, hotel room, motel room, tanning bed, tanning booth, bedroom or other location or the videographic or still image record is created by placing the lens or image-gathering component of the recording device in a position directly beneath or between a person's legs for the purpose of capturing an image of the person's intimate parts or undergarments covering those intimate parts when the intimate parts or undergarments would not otherwise be visible to the general public; and when the circumstances set herein are otherwise such that the person being recorded would have a reasonable expectation of privacy. The provisions of this section shall not apply to videographic or still image by law-enforcement officers pursuant to a criminal investigation which is otherwise lawful or correctional or jail officials for security purposes or for investigations of alleged misconduct involving an imprisoned person, or to any sound recording of an oral conversation made as a result of any videotaping or filming authorized by law; or

B. with the intent to coerce, harass, embarrass, or intimidate, maliciously disseminating or selling any videographic or still image created by any means whatsoever that depicts another person who is totally nude, or in a state of undress so as to expose the genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or breast, where such person knows or has reason to know that he or she is not licensed or authorized to disseminate or sell such videographic or still image. For purposes of this section, another person includes but is not limited to a person whose image was used in creating, adapting, or modifying a videographic or still image with the intent to depict an actual person and who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic.

9. 6. violent sexual deviancy means:

A. engaging in sexual contact with a person who is enslaved, in captivity, non-consensually bound or restrained, or being subject to violence, torture, or sadomasochistic abuse;

B. causing another person by force, threat, or intimidation to engage in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition;

C. permitting conduct as described in Section A of this definition to be conducted on any premises under his or her ownership or control;

D. producing, distributing, publishing, selling, transmitting, financing, advertising, or possessing with the intent to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise, or making any attempt to produce, distribute, publish, sell, transmit, finance, or advertise an obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person engaged in sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition or of rape; or

E. Traveling in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in or facilitating sexual contact as described in Section A of this definition.

1. 7 Assault Toy means any stuffed animal or children's toy incorporating a sex toy or a BDSM costume.

6. 8. Obscene or dangerous sex toy means:

A. Any assault toy

B. any sex doll designed to appear as a non-human animal, including but not limited to a fictitious or mythical animal. This shall not include any equipment utilized in animal husbandry or breeding; or

TITLE II: PROHIBITIONS

1. It shall be unlawful for any person to, upon any federal property or leasehold, over federal electromagnetic spectrum, through the postal service, upon or over the property, facilities, utilities, vehicles, networks, or conveyances of any federally owned or regulated common carrier or internet service provider, or participate or travel in interstate or foreign commerce to:

A. engage in bestiality, ghoulish sex, incest, infected sexual battery, sexual abuse of a minor, sexual invasion of privacy, or violent sexual deviancy;

B. manufacture, import, transport, sell, finance, produce, publish, distribute, advertise, or possess with intent to manufacture, transport, sell, finance, produce, publish, distribute, or advertise any obscene or dangerous sex toy or any obscene item depicting or purporting to depict a person using an obscene or dangerous sex toy.
  
2. It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly finance or attempt or prepare to finance any item or criminal act prohibited by this law or the Community Standards Act. For purposes of this provision, knowingly finance includes but is not limited to processing or facilitating payments by any bank, credit card company, or payment processor to any business, company, or website that hosts any item prohibited by this law or the Community Standards Act if such bank, credit card company, or payment processor has been informed of such hosting by the Attorney General of Atlasia or of any Region in Atlasia, by any court in Atlasia, by any law enforcement officer pursuant to an investigation, or by a sworn affidavit by any person that is easily or readily verifiable.

3. A violation of this act shall be classified as a felony punishable by imprisonment for no less than one (1) and no more than ten (10) years, a fine of no more than $100,000.00, and disgorgement of any profits. Any person convicted of a violation of section 1 of this title shall be required to register as a sex offender an shall be ordered to attend an appropriate treatment program or obtain psychiatric or psychological counseling.

4. Any prohibited item seized pursuant to the enforcement of this law shall be subject to forfeiture.

5. This act shall take effect ten (10) days from the date of passage.

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Starting from Mr. R's approved parts of WB's amendment, i want to request the following amendment:

1. Re-arranging the order in a less confusing ones (toy parts after the other parts)
2. Changing legality of sexual contact with a minor from 2 years to 5 years (for sexual abuse of a minor)
3. Removing incest

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I would approve of this amendment except for #2. I believe it is important to maintain the two year age difference limit for 18 year olds since the age of consent in many states IRL is 16, not 13.

I accept your request (and remove that change from the proposed amendment).

But I want to open the discussion, given i think

1. Age of consent at the age of 16 is maybe a tad too high (is it 16 in Atlasia?). If so, i want to lower that.

2. I personally think someone at the age of 16 should be able to have sex up to someone of 21 years old, tho someone of 13 y/o having sex with someone having sex of 18 year olds is indeed weird, so what I would propose

1. No major is allowed to have sex with people below the age of 16 y/o in any circumstances
2. People of 16-17 y/o would have the difference of 5 years applied to them

No lie, this compromise was what i just ironed out with a coworker.

Yes that's what I intended to do, and I like that to be amended after we dealt with the existing amendments in the queue.

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Symbolic votes for Aye (two times).

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Nay

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Begrudgingly aye

Why begrudgingly?

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Objection.

I move forward to question the integrity of the voting. To what extent have the senators been pressured to vote aye in a narrow vote?

We cannot ensure the vote went fair and square. I demand a suspension of the vote until further notice.

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Senators change their votes during the voting period all the time. It used to be a formal announcement when there was only 24 hours left that Senators only have 1 day left to change their votes.

Yes but i'd like in the future for senators to create a new post, instead of editing their vote (esp. if the change is not done immediately). Outside of that, there is not much I can do and to respect the vote.

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Because they were clearly being told to do so.

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I have no issues with the bestiality and rape porn parts of the act that passed. In fact, i support these and I voted nay on the proposed WB amendment.

The reason i voted nay is because of my issues with the incest and infected sexual battery parts. If i don't fully agree with an act, i vote nay. And there's something to say about the general notion that the government has no business in someones sex life, even if some or a lot of what is being banned aren't sexual practices I support in the slightest.

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Uncalled for and untrue. I voted my conscious. I was torn and avidly reading debate on here, but I couldn't get myself to justify voting against this.

I'll take you for your word here and I believe you.

I disagree with the act (or parts of the act to be clear) and i'm disappointed, but I respect the result of the vote.