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« on: December 03, 2022, 04:48:13 PM »

The English? Spaniards? Welsh?

It is not that clear.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2022, 04:49:50 PM »

Clearly Scandinavians based on written and archaeological evidence.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2022, 05:22:06 PM »

In the United States, idk. In North America, Scandinavians. In the Caribbean/South America the Spanish.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2022, 05:30:35 PM »

Definitely the Welsh.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2022, 05:45:36 PM »

In the United States, idk. In North America, Scandinavians. In the Caribbean/South America the Spanish.

Spanish and Portuguese, most likely.

The White Southern slavers were mostly English, Irish and German?

If you look at this Ancestry map, most of the South is colored in Blue, meaning "American". What defines American?

https://www.thecinyc.com/2013-17-ahr-multimap
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2022, 06:52:02 PM »

In the United States, idk. In North America, Scandinavians. In the Caribbean/South America the Spanish.

Spanish and Portuguese, most likely.

The White Southern slavers were mostly English, Irish and German?

If you look at this Ancestry map, most of the South is colored in Blue, meaning "American". What defines American?

https://www.thecinyc.com/2013-17-ahr-multimap

Its a recently added census choice, that has become the preferred option for a lot of whites of mixed (often British) ancestry, as well as a number of people of Scots-Irish and Scottish ancestry.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2022, 08:08:00 PM »

I would guess Armenian merchants, given their global trading network. Wiki says that a tobacco grower named "Martin the Armenian" settled in Jamestown in 1618.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2022, 08:48:16 AM »

The Australian's.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2023, 09:40:52 PM »

In the United States, idk. In North America, Scandinavians. In the Caribbean/South America the Spanish.

Vikings in Greenland in the 980's and Newfoundland in the 11th Century: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35935725

PS.  Your Theodore Roosevelt quote was debunked years ago:  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-roosevelt-liberals-conserva-idUSKCN24P1XL
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2023, 05:53:15 PM »

A Roman galley was found in Brazil.
Before that, some Sibirians might have been closer to the "Caucasian" (=white) than the Mongolid (=yellow) raceFamily.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2023, 08:48:54 PM »

A Roman galley was found in Brazil.
Before that, some Sibirians might have been closer to the "Caucasian" (=white) than the Mongolid (=yellow) raceFamily.

The find of amphorae has still yet to be published in a research journal.  Amphorae were used as late as the 1700's by the Spanish.

http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism/2004/02/08.html

Your use of the terms "Caucasian" and <sic> "Mongolid" and especially the pejorative "yellow" indicates that your knowledge of human migrations and ethnic groups is stuck in the 1950's. 

Start over.  Try here for an introduction: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration#Pre-modern_history

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2023, 03:54:11 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2023, 04:48:38 PM by Georg Ebner »

A Roman galley was found in Brazil.
Before that, some Sibirians might have been closer to the "Caucasian" (=white) than the Mongolid (=yellow) raceFamily.

The find of amphorae has still yet to be published in a research journal.  Amphorae were used as late as the 1700's by the Spanish.

http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism/2004/02/08.html

Your use of the terms "Caucasian" and <sic> "Mongolid" and especially the pejorative "yellow" indicates that your knowledge of human migrations and ethnic groups is stuck in the 1950's.  

Start over.  Try here for an introduction:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration#Pre-modern_history


If Your knowledge exceeded wikipedia-articles, You would be aware of an entire ship being found.
But then to call "yellow" "pejorative" is so idiotic, that it's probably better for You to remain at wikipedia.

Delivering me wikipedia is simply a shamelessness: Contrary to You i actually studied history and copied alone from the AJHG half a metre of DIN A3-pages on genes & ethnies and historical migrations.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2023, 06:11:26 PM »



The only correct answer.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2023, 08:58:07 PM »

A Roman galley was found in Brazil.
Before that, some Sibirians might have been closer to the "Caucasian" (=white) than the Mongolid (=yellow) raceFamily.

The find of amphorae has still yet to be published in a research journal.  Amphorae were used as late as the 1700's by the Spanish.

http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism/2004/02/08.html

Your use of the terms "Caucasian" and <sic> "Mongolid" and especially the pejorative "yellow" indicates that your knowledge of human migrations and ethnic groups is stuck in the 1950's.  

Start over.  Try here for an introduction:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration#Pre-modern_history


If Your knowledge exceeded wikipedia-articles, You would be aware of an entire ship being found.
But then to call "yellow" "pejorative" is so idiotic, that it's probably better for You to remain at wikipedia.

Delivering me wikipedia is simply a shamelessness: Contrary to You i actually studied history and copied alone from the AJHG half a metre of DIN A3-pages on genes & ethnies and historical migrations.

Do you have a reference for a peer-reviewed publication. regarding the amphorae?  And I cannot find anything that says that a ship was actually seen, much less recovered.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/10/world/rio-artifacts-may-indicate-roman-visit.html

https://www.quora.com/profile/James-Lynch-128

Of course I know more than Wikipedia.  My first reference was to atrium media. 

At least in the US, "yellow" has been considered pejorative for east Asians for decades.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2023, 12:56:26 AM »

A Roman galley was found in Brazil.
Before that, some Sibirians might have been closer to the "Caucasian" (=white) than the Mongolid (=yellow) raceFamily.

The find of amphorae has still yet to be published in a research journal.  Amphorae were used as late as the 1700's by the Spanish.

http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism/2004/02/08.html

Your use of the terms "Caucasian" and <sic> "Mongolid" and especially the pejorative "yellow" indicates that your knowledge of human migrations and ethnic groups is stuck in the 1950's.  

Start over.  Try here for an introduction:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration#Pre-modern_history


If Your knowledge exceeded wikipedia-articles, You would be aware of an entire ship being found.
But then to call "yellow" "pejorative" is so idiotic, that it's probably better for You to remain at wikipedia.

Delivering me wikipedia is simply a shamelessness: Contrary to You i actually studied history and copied alone from the AJHG half a metre of DIN A3-pages on genes & ethnies and historical migrations.

Do you have a reference for a peer-reviewed publication. regarding the amphorae?  And I cannot find anything that says that a ship was actually seen, much less recovered.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/10/world/rio-artifacts-may-indicate-roman-visit.html

https://www.quora.com/profile/James-Lynch-128

Of course I know more than Wikipedia.  My first reference was to atrium media.  

At least in the US, "yellow" has been considered pejorative for east Asians for decades.
No, i just saw en passant photoGraphies.

Considering "yellow" to be pejorative - why? - would mean, that "Black(s)" would be even more so. Realiter even "negroes" would per se not be pejorative (contrary to "n!gger", which is indeed humiliating due to its sounding and historical use), but inerudite clowns unaware of Latin have declared it to be and as a result it is seen as such and everyone using it as being hostile - ridiculous!
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2023, 02:39:09 PM »

I would guess Armenian merchants, given their global trading network. Wiki says that a tobacco grower named "Martin the Armenian" settled in Jamestown in 1618.

Literally the only person here even trying to answer the question. But it should be noted that many Armenians do not view Armenia as part of the Caucasus, but rather lying atop the "Armenian Highlands". I am agnostic on this since it makes no difference to me - I'll group them with Georgia and Azerbaijan whether they like it or not - though it strikes me as a bit of a pointless argument in either case. The region used to be called "Transcaucasia", which is simply "across" the Caucasus (from Russia), and I assume "South Caucasus" replaced it so that the term would not be as Russo-centric.
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2023, 03:57:52 AM »

Denmark
The Netherlands
Portugal
France
England

If the Vikings made it to Iceland they probably had a few stragglers keep going.

The Dutch were mental in the 1500's and 1600's and we find Dutch relics on the West Australian coastline today from them pre-England.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2023, 06:21:44 PM »

The first Russians that stepped foot in Alaska, or the first Georgian/Armenian/Azeri/Tatar immigrants that went with the Vikings would be my guess.
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