2008: Donald Trump-John Edwards (D) vs John McCain-Lisa Murkowski (R)
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« on: December 03, 2022, 05:05:43 AM »

Trump beats a crowded Dem field after 2 terms of Al Gore and McCain wins the GOP nomination. Gore beats W and Rudy in 2000 and 2004. After 8 years of Bill Clinton and 8 years of Al Gore, the GOP would be out of office for 20 years.

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2022, 07:56:27 PM »

Hard to comprehend now, but Murko and McCain are from different wings of the 2000s GOP.

McCain was from the reformer/anti-pork wing.
Murkowski was in the big energy/pro-pork wing.

The reason why Palin was chosen, was precisely because she had defeated Frank Murkowski and had then gone after the oil companies on some state level issues. McCain, who favored campaign finance reform and opposed many special interests thus saw her as a kindred spirt on some of the matters he most cared about and also as a new and exciting face that could energize his flailing campaign.

Murkowski is also pro-choice. McCain picking her would have led to a rebellion by both fiscal conservatives and the evangelicals thus.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2022, 08:06:34 PM »

Hard to comprehend now, but Murko and McCain are from different wings of the 2000s GOP.

McCain was from the reformer/anti-pork wing.
Murkowski was in the big energy/pro-pork wing.

The reason why Palin was chosen, was precisely because she had defeated Frank Murkowski and had then gone after the oil companies on some state level issues. McCain, who favored campaign finance reform and opposed many special interests thus saw her as a kindred spirt on some of the matters he most cared about and also as a new and exciting face that could energize his flailing campaign.

Murkowski is also pro-choice. McCain picking her would have led to a rebellion by both fiscal conservatives and the evangelicals thus.
This matchup sounds like the quickest way to crash and burn the GOP for half a decade. McCain/Murkowski don't seem to work particularly well as a ticket and something like this would weaken the party enough for it to lose yet another election.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2022, 12:34:12 AM »
« Edited: December 04, 2022, 12:42:02 AM by Alben Barkley »

The reason why Palin was chosen, was precisely because she had defeated Frank Murkowski and had then gone after the oil companies on some state level issues.

That is NOT why Palin was chosen. It probably didn't hurt, but it was definitely not the main reason she was chosen.

Anyway, this match-up depends largely on whether the Edwards affair still goes down as it did and is exposed as it was, and also possibly if the Access Hollywood tape is exposed early too. If both Democratic candidates crash and burn in sex scandals, McCain could pull the upset potentially, though the fundamentals obviously still favor Trump.

By the way, I would vote for McCain in this election, especially with hindsight, but possibly even without it. Even when he was just the host of The Apprentice, I've never liked Donald Trump. Always saw him as a sleazy scumbag. I would be dismayed if my party nominated him, and would trust that at least McCain was competent and patriotic enough for the job. The pick of Murkowski for VP wouldn't hurt either, as it would certainly suggest he would be no far right culture warrior as president.
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