Can Gretchen Whitmer win the African American vote against Kamala Harris?

[Queen Isuelt]

The biggest barrier to any Democrat running in 2024 if Joe Biden does stand down or in 2028 will be can any democrat defeat Kamala Harris with the black vote. It's a major problem for Whitmer and why she might not run because Harris despite being a really, really bad politician and ineffective communicator she does have the vice presidency and democratic donar class behind her. So I say unfortunately no.

If Harris was the nominee the defeat would be catastrophic

[Sir Mohamed]

Depends on whether Harris gets her act together or not. If she runs an incompetent campaign like the last time around or surrounds herself with the same people as she has her VP office running, Whitmer could easily make inroads. Her reelection clearly demonstrates some appeal to black voters, imho.

That said, I would definitely support Whitmer in a primary matchup between them although I initially backed Harris in 2019.

[Lambsbread]

Maybe. NBC's exit poll from last week's election shows that Whitmer won 94% of the black vote against Dixon. She also won 62%(!) of women. Those are pretty significant figures. I imagine she could do very well in a primary against Harris.

[Mister Mets]

I don't see it.

Biden's a rare case of a white candidate able to get the African American vote over African-American candidates, but it's because many liked the idea of a powerful white man who had loyally served in the administration of an African American President. Whitmer doesn't have anything close.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The odds on fav is Wes Moore I would love it to have him and Demings run in 28

[VBM]

Nope. Way too many idpol obsessives in the black community, especially among females

[Suburbia]

No...

The only non-Black candidate who could win the Black vote against Harris is probably Hillary Clinton, but she ain't running again.

Whitmer may do well with Black men, maybe.....

[Suburbia]

Nope. Way too many idpol obsessives in the black community, especially among females

[NewYorkExpress]

I don't think Whitmer could, but Jon Ossoff, if he chose to run against Harris in either 2024 or 2028, probably could, especially if his fellow Georgia Senator, Raphael Warnock endorsed him early on.

[Alben Barkley]

This thread is full of the exact same kind of racism -- the dumbest kind, to be specific -- that led people here to unironically believe Kanye would take a significant number of black votes from Biden.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Keep in mind Michigan is the first primary

[Alben Barkley]

Nope. Way too many idpol obsessives in the black community, especially among females

This explains why Kamala easily won their support and the nomination last time... Oh wait.

Also if you have bronz approvingly quoting you about something race-related, you really should reconsider all your life choices.

[Alben Barkley]

Keep in mind Michigan is the first primary

No that doesn't matter. You see, to the racists on Atlas, things like the state a candidate is from or how persuasive/charismatic/skilled they are or anything like that doesn't matter. All that matters is their skin color, say the racists decrying "idpol" without a hint of irony or self-awareness. This is mostly because these same racists still can't wrap their heads around the idea that Bernie Sanders was blown away in the primary twice for any reason other than that black people are too stupid and "low information" to vote for the same candidate THEY voted for.

It's all quite cringeworthy at best, horrifying at worst. Extremely stupid in any case, as we literally have the example of 2020 staring us in the face of this specific black candidate losing decisively to an old white man, indeed being unable to build enough support to make it to the actual voting. Despite running a heavily "idpol" campaign of which the most famous moment was her attacking the eventual nominee (who overwhelmingly won black voters) for race-related reasons. Almost like that would be proof that black voters are, in fact, not brainless automatons who vote purely for racial and "idpol" reasons. Almost like most are just pragmatic moderates who vote accordingly, and THAT explains their voting habits much better and more consistently than race alone.

To say nothing of the Kanye 2020 disaster on this site again. You can tell how many people on Atlas have never met a black person in their lives, and certainly don't see them as fully human. Unbelievably sad and pathetic.

You can also tell how young they are, to not remember Al Sharpton getting blown out of the water in the 2004 South Carolina primary by John Edwards of all people. Based on their "logic," that should NEVER have happened!

[OSR stands with Israel]

Keep in mind Michigan is the first primary

No that doesn't matter. You see, to the racists on Atlas, things like the state a candidate is from or how persuasive/charismatic/skilled they are or anything like that doesn't matter. All that matters is their skin color, say the racists decrying "idpol" without a hint of irony or self-awareness. This is mostly because these same racists still can't wrap their heads around the idea that Bernie Sanders was blown away in the primary twice for any reason other than that black people are too stupid and "low information" to vote for the same candidate THEY voted for.

It's all quite cringeworthy at best, horrifying at worst. Extremely stupid in any case, as we literally have the example of 2020 staring us in the face of this specific black candidate losing decisively to an old white man, indeed being unable to build enough support to make it to the actual voting. Despite running a heavily "idpol" campaign of which the most famous moment was her attacking the eventual nominee (who overwhelmingly won black voters) for race-related reasons. Almost like that would be proof that black voters are, in fact, not brainless automatons who vote purely for racial and "idpol" reasons. Almost like most are just pragmatic moderates who vote accordingly, and THAT explains their voting habits much better and more consistently than race alone.

To say nothing of the Kanye 2020 disaster on this site again. You can tell how many people on Atlas have never met a black person in their lives, and certainly don't see them as fully human. Unbelievably sad and pathetic.

We also have an example in 2022 where Brian Kemp did way better with the African American vote than Hershel Walker did despite the fact that both Democratic candidates were African American and the fact that Hershel Walker was a huge football star too.

[Alben Barkley]

Keep in mind Michigan is the first primary

No that doesn't matter. You see, to the racists on Atlas, things like the state a candidate is from or how persuasive/charismatic/skilled they are or anything like that doesn't matter. All that matters is their skin color, say the racists decrying "idpol" without a hint of irony or self-awareness. This is mostly because these same racists still can't wrap their heads around the idea that Bernie Sanders was blown away in the primary twice for any reason other than that black people are too stupid and "low information" to vote for the same candidate THEY voted for.

It's all quite cringeworthy at best, horrifying at worst. Extremely stupid in any case, as we literally have the example of 2020 staring us in the face of this specific black candidate losing decisively to an old white man, indeed being unable to build enough support to make it to the actual voting. Despite running a heavily "idpol" campaign of which the most famous moment was her attacking the eventual nominee (who overwhelmingly won black voters) for race-related reasons. Almost like that would be proof that black voters are, in fact, not brainless automatons who vote purely for racial and "idpol" reasons. Almost like most are just pragmatic moderates who vote accordingly, and THAT explains their voting habits much better and more consistently than race alone.

To say nothing of the Kanye 2020 disaster on this site again. You can tell how many people on Atlas have never met a black person in their lives, and certainly don't see them as fully human. Unbelievably sad and pathetic.

We also have an example in 2022 where Brian Kemp did way better with the African American vote than Hershel Walker did despite the fact that both Democratic candidates were African American and the fact that Hershel Walker was a huge football star too.

There are many such examples. I gave another one of Al Sharpton betting his 2004 campaign on a strong showing in South Carolina, but he could barely get 10% of the vote and didn't win a single county! Indeed if anything Obama 2008 was the exception more than the rule. And the fact that Hillary still did quite well with many black voters and Obama only actually had a chance in the first place after winning lily-white Iowa (indeed many of his strongest overperformances were in overwhelmingly white states rather than diverse states -- just look at him nearly sweeping the plains and Mountain West) kinda muddies the waters to say the least.

Yet you wouldn't know any of that if you asked Atlas. Despite tons of evidence to the contrary, if they want to believe some sick racist narrative about how blacks will only vote against other blacks if it's for a "powerful white man" linked to another black to rule over them, they will find a way!

[VBM]

Nope. Way too many idpol obsessives in the black community, especially among females

This explains why Kamala easily won their support and the nomination last time... Oh wait.

Also if you have bronz approvingly quoting you about something race-related, you really should reconsider all your life choices.

Harris has 100x more name recognition now than she did in 2019

[Landslide Lyndon]

This thread is full of the exact same kind of racism -- the dumbest kind, to be specific -- that led people here to unironically believe Kanye would take a significant number of black votes from Biden.

Exactly. Black voters are pragmatic above all and if Harris is unpopular they won't risk throwing the election to Republicans just because she has the same skin tone as them.

[Pres Mike]

This thread is full of the exact same kind of racism -- the dumbest kind, to be specific -- that led people here to unironically believe Kanye would take a significant number of black votes from Biden.

Exactly. Black voters are pragmatic above all and if Harris is unpopular they won't risk throwing the election to Republicans just because she has the same skin tone with them.

Bingo

The black community does value loyalty but also electablity

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Whitmer already said she has no interest in running for Prez

[SWE]

If Harris does have an appeal among black voters, it's not because of her skin color, it'd be because of a natural name recognition boost and positive association with Joe Biden, who actually was able to appeal to African-Americans. I don't know if that pans out, but Biden's credit transferring is really the only plausible way I can imagine her making inroads with a group that she's never shown any signs of knowing how to appeal to