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« on: November 29, 2022, 07:37:13 PM »

Who would you prefer as leader of a polity?
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2022, 08:28:09 PM »

This is a TheReckoning threaf.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2022, 12:26:13 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2022, 11:16:35 PM »

I’m starting to think Atlas has DeSantis Derangement Syndrome.

I mean, on what axis could Chavez be better than DeSantis on that a majority of people here prefer him to DeSantis? Economics? Trans issues? Upholding democracy?
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2022, 02:30:03 PM »

Hugo Chavez
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2022, 02:39:09 PM »

Very, very, very reluctantly DeSandwich.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2022, 03:45:54 PM »

Hugo Chavez drastically reduced poverty in Venezuela, and the constitution he initially passed is more favorable to third parties and political organizations outside government affiliation than what was previously the standard in the country. DeSantis is clearly more authoritarian.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2022, 04:34:11 PM »

Hugo Chavez drastically reduced poverty in Venezuela, and the constitution he initially passed is more favorable to third parties and political organizations outside government affiliation than what was previously the standard in the country. DeSantis is clearly more authoritarian.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2022, 04:34:22 PM »

"You can't compare Chavez to DeSantis," Maria said, her voice rising in anger. "Chavez was a true revolutionary, a man who dedicated his life to fighting for the poor and the oppressed. DeSantis is just a puppet of the rich and powerful, a tool of the capitalists."

Her friend, a quiet and reserved man named Carlos, looked at her skeptically. "But DeSantis has done some good things, Maria. He has lowered taxes and created jobs. He has also stood up to the federal government and defended the rights of the states."

Maria shook her head, her eyes flashing with determination. "But what about the people, Carlos? What about the millions of Venezuelans who were lifted out of poverty under Chavez? What about the healthcare and education programs that he implemented, the land reforms that he carried out? DeSantis has done nothing for the working class, nothing for the poor. He only cares about enriching his friends and allies."

Carlos sighed and looked away. He knew that Maria was passionate about her beliefs, but he also knew that she was blinded by her loyalty to Chavez. He respected her, but he did not agree with her.

"But Chavez was not perfect, Maria. He made mistakes, he committed abuses. He was not a saint, he was a human being. And DeSantis is not a monster, he is a politician. He may not be perfect, but he has done some good things for the people of Florida."

Maria's face turned red with rage. "No, he has not," she said, shaking her fist at Carlos. "He has only helped his rich friends."

Carlos shrugged his shoulders and looked away, not really knowing how to respond. After a moment, he changed the subject. "I was in Bolivia a couple of months ago. I met President Morales when he came to visit my family. He's a great man, Maria. He cares about the poor. He gave away food and money to the homeless, and he tried to put an end to capitalism."

Maria laughed. "So what are you saying, Carlos? You believe that DeSantis is going to give away food and money to the poor? What about all the children in the public schools and hospitals? Are you saying that DeSantis has nothing to do with those things? Well, I am very sorry to tell you that you are wrong. DeSantis will continue to take away the little that the poor have."

Carlos nodded slowly. He knew that Maria was right. DeSantis had no intentions of helping the poor. The only thing that DeSantis cared about was furthering his own ambitions and increasing his wealth.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2022, 04:40:31 PM »

"You can't compare Chavez to DeSantis," Maria said, her voice rising in anger. "Chavez was a true revolutionary, a man who dedicated his life to fighting for the poor and the oppressed. DeSantis is just a puppet of the rich and powerful, a tool of the capitalists."

Her friend, a quiet and reserved man named Carlos, looked at her skeptically. "But DeSantis has done some good things, Maria. He has lowered taxes and created jobs. He has also stood up to the federal government and defended the rights of the states."

Maria shook her head, her eyes flashing with determination. "But what about the people, Carlos? What about the millions of Venezuelans who were lifted out of poverty under Chavez? What about the healthcare and education programs that he implemented, the land reforms that he carried out? DeSantis has done nothing for the working class, nothing for the poor. He only cares about enriching his friends and allies."

Carlos sighed and looked away. He knew that Maria was passionate about her beliefs, but he also knew that she was blinded by her loyalty to Chavez. He respected her, but he did not agree with her.

"But Chavez was not perfect, Maria. He made mistakes, he committed abuses. He was not a saint, he was a human being. And DeSantis is not a monster, he is a politician. He may not be perfect, but he has done some good things for the people of Florida."

Maria's face turned red with rage. "No, he has not," she said, shaking her fist at Carlos. "He has only helped his rich friends."

Carlos shrugged his shoulders and looked away, not really knowing how to respond. After a moment, he changed the subject. "I was in Bolivia a couple of months ago. I met President Morales when he came to visit my family. He's a great man, Maria. He cares about the poor. He gave away food and money to the homeless, and he tried to put an end to capitalism."

Maria laughed. "So what are you saying, Carlos? You believe that DeSantis is going to give away food and money to the poor? What about all the children in the public schools and hospitals? Are you saying that DeSantis has nothing to do with those things? Well, I am very sorry to tell you that you are wrong. DeSantis will continue to take away the little that the poor have."

Carlos nodded slowly. He knew that Maria was right. DeSantis had no intentions of helping the poor. The only thing that DeSantis cared about was furthering his own ambitions and increasing his wealth.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2022, 08:57:08 PM »

Maria shook her head, her eyes flashing with determination. "But what about the people, Carlos? What about the millions of Venezuelans who were lifted out of poverty under Chavez? What about the healthcare and education programs that he implemented, the land reforms that he carried out? DeSantis has done nothing for the working class, nothing for the poor. He only cares about enriching his friends and allies."


96% of Venezuelans are in poverty (76% in extreme poverty) as a direct result of Chavez’s policies. There has been perhaps no greater enemy of the poor of any leader of any country in the past decade.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2022, 09:16:42 PM »

I mean, on what axis could Chavez be better than DeSantis on that a majority of people here prefer him to DeSantis? Economics? Trans issues? Upholding democracy?
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2022, 09:28:45 PM »

Maria shook her head, her eyes flashing with determination. "But what about the people, Carlos? What about the millions of Venezuelans who were lifted out of poverty under Chavez? What about the healthcare and education programs that he implemented, the land reforms that he carried out? DeSantis has done nothing for the working class, nothing for the poor. He only cares about enriching his friends and allies."


96% of Venezuelans are in poverty (76% in extreme poverty) as a direct result of Chavez’s policies. There has been perhaps no greater enemy of the poor of any leader of any country in the past decade.
That’s not how you say US sanctions and Saudi oil dumping on behalf of the former.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2022, 09:57:15 PM »

DeSantis
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2022, 10:48:29 PM »

Maria shook her head, her eyes flashing with determination. "But what about the people, Carlos? What about the millions of Venezuelans who were lifted out of poverty under Chavez? What about the healthcare and education programs that he implemented, the land reforms that he carried out? DeSantis has done nothing for the working class, nothing for the poor. He only cares about enriching his friends and allies."


96% of Venezuelans are in poverty (76% in extreme poverty) as a direct result of Chavez’s policies. There has been perhaps no greater enemy of the poor of any leader of any country in the past decade.
You’ll have to take that up with Maria.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2022, 10:58:44 PM »

Maria shook her head, her eyes flashing with determination. "But what about the people, Carlos? What about the millions of Venezuelans who were lifted out of poverty under Chavez? What about the healthcare and education programs that he implemented, the land reforms that he carried out? DeSantis has done nothing for the working class, nothing for the poor. He only cares about enriching his friends and allies."


96% of Venezuelans are in poverty (76% in extreme poverty) as a direct result of Chavez’s policies. There has been perhaps no greater enemy of the poor of any leader of any country in the past decade.
That’s not how you say US sanctions and Saudi oil dumping on behalf of the former.


Plenty of countries are sanctioned by the USA and none of them have a 96% poverty rate. Plenty of countries export a lot of oil, and none of them have a 96% poverty rate.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2022, 11:07:01 PM »

Oil price go up

 
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2022, 11:10:29 PM »
« Edited: December 03, 2022, 11:22:05 PM by All Along The Watchtower »

Oh wait, you meant:

Who would you prefer as leader of a polity?

Are we including DeSantis as President of Venezuela and Chavez as President of the US as options? Because otherwise this is a dumb and meaningless comparison.

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I mean, on what axis could Chavez be better than DeSantis on that a majority of people here prefer him to DeSantis? Economics? Trans issues? Upholding democracy?

A Venezuelan DeSantis would make most citizens long for even Maduro (let alone High Energy Hugo) after he murdered trans people, leftists,  and other “degenerates”, declared a military dictatorship, and enriched his friends and family at the expense of the starving masses, so yeah, hard pass in that case!
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2022, 11:56:18 PM »

The results of this poll are like if we had a bunch of blue avs saying they preferred Pinochet or Franco to Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. And Chile and Spain at least had considerably higher standards of living than Venezuela even if they were in the same ballpark on human rights abuses.
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2022, 12:45:43 AM »

The results of this poll are like if we had a bunch of blue avs saying they preferred Pinochet or Franco to Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. And Chile and Spain at least had considerably higher standards of living than Venezuela even if they were in the same ballpark on human rights abuses.

I hate to agree, but I must.

The answer here is DeSantis, and it's not even close.

Embarrassing results.

That said, wouldn't be too surprised if a bunch of blue avs DID say they preferred Pinochet and Franco to Biden and Hillary.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2022, 12:46:30 AM »

Hugo Chavez drastically reduced poverty in Venezuela, and the constitution he initially passed is more favorable to third parties and political organizations outside government affiliation than what was previously the standard in the country. DeSantis is clearly more authoritarian.
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He is literally a tankie so what do you expect?
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2022, 01:23:45 AM »
« Edited: December 04, 2022, 01:31:12 AM by Lexii »

Hugo Chavez drastically reduced poverty in Venezuela, and the constitution he initially passed is more favorable to third parties and political organizations outside government affiliation than what was previously the standard in the country. DeSantis is clearly more authoritarian.
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He is literally a tankie so what do you expect?
My expectations for PSOL's foreign policy/international politics views are already extremely low,. don't worry, it's just that it hits heavier when it's about a country i have a very close personal connection to. I'm not that opposed to people defending the early Chavez years (despite the blatant corruption, blooming authoritarianism and overall signs of poor government and economic management), but the latter years, which I'd say begin as early as 2006/7 with the RCTV case are like defending Lukashenko or other "managed democracy" authoritarian leaders who ended up seriously damaging their countries in every way imaginable
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2022, 02:02:43 PM »


Again,

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A Venezuelan DeSantis would make most citizens long for even Maduro (let alone High Energy Hugo) after he murdered trans people, leftists,  and other “degenerates”, declared a military dictatorship, and enriched his friends and family at the expense of the starving masses, so yeah, hard pass in that case!


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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2022, 04:24:40 PM »

The results of this poll are like if we had a bunch of blue avs saying they preferred Pinochet or Franco to Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. And Chile and Spain at least had considerably higher standards of living than Venezuela even if they were in the same ballpark on human rights abuses.

Carlson and Co. do this with Putin, as did Trump...quite literally.  No consequences.
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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2022, 07:47:48 PM »

Oh wait, you meant:

Who would you prefer as leader of a polity?

Are we including DeSantis as President of Venezuela and Chavez as President of the US as options? Because otherwise this is a dumb and meaningless comparison.

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I mean, on what axis could Chavez be better than DeSantis on that a majority of people here prefer him to DeSantis? Economics? Trans issues? Upholding democracy?

A Venezuelan DeSantis would make most citizens long for even Maduro (let alone High Energy Hugo) after he murdered trans people, leftists,  and other “degenerates”, declared a military dictatorship, and enriched his friends and family at the expense of the starving masses, so yeah, hard pass in that case!


Great point, actually. That's why we need to make Florida a country.
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