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« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2022, 02:31:15 PM »

Senate reaches deal to vote on legislation to avert rail shutdown

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Democrats and Republicans have locked in a deal to vote on rail legislation to avert a damaging shutdown with votes starting “very soon,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced on the Senate floor Thursday.

Pressure has been mounting on Senate leaders to clear legislation for President Joe Biden’s signature to avert a rail shutdown amid concerns over the economic danger posed by a strike.

The House passed the tentative rail agreement on Wednesday. Leaders have been racing to see if they can reach a deal to pass the legislation Thursday – a tough task since they would need all 100 senators to agree to schedule that vote and any one senator can object and drag out the process.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/senate-rail-vote/index.html
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« Reply #76 on: December 01, 2022, 03:21:22 PM »

The senate will have three votes

-forcing the deal
-adding paid leave to the deal
-extending negotiations for 60 days

All three votes require 60 votes

The paid leave vote requires the first vote, on the deal, to pass.

I’m confused on the third vote.
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« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2022, 03:36:24 PM »

paid leave goes down 52-43, despite Cruz and Sanders having a fist bump.
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« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2022, 03:39:13 PM »

paid leave goes down 52-43, despite Cruz and Sanders having a fist bump.

Do we have a list of Nays? Were Rubio and Hawley among them?
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« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2022, 04:02:18 PM »

paid leave goes down 52-43, despite Cruz and Sanders having a fist bump.

Do we have a list of Nays? Were Rubio and Hawley among them?

Rubio and Hawley both voted for paid leave and against forcing the deal. The GOP supporters of paid leave were Graham, Cruz, Hawley, Rubio, Kennedy, Braun. Manchin voted against paid leave. Hickenlooper, Merkley, Gillibrand, and Sanders voted against forcing the deal.
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« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2022, 04:10:45 PM »



Extrapolate nothing Atlas.
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« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2022, 04:18:47 PM »

Wildcat strike. All workers deserve paid leave.
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« Reply #82 on: December 01, 2022, 04:21:34 PM »

Wildcat strike. All workers deserve paid leave.

Don't count it out, for sure.  Or a massive sick out.
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« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2022, 05:21:19 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.
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« Reply #84 on: December 01, 2022, 05:25:44 PM »

Every American should have a right to paid sick leave. It's disgusting that the US remains one of the few countries in the world without such a right.
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« Reply #85 on: December 01, 2022, 05:26:52 PM »

When did Gillibrand and Hickenlooper start voting with Sanders, Warren, and Merkley?
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« Reply #86 on: December 01, 2022, 05:31:48 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.

Yes, definitely Biden's fault that only 6 Republicans in the senate and 3 Republicans in the House could be bothered to vote to give workers 7 days of sick leave. Definitely Bidens fault!

This is the GOP's fault. Full stop.
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« Reply #87 on: December 01, 2022, 05:33:22 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.

Yes, definitely Biden's fault that only 6 Republicans in the senate and 3 Republicans in the House could be bothered to vote to give workers 7 days of sick leave. Definitely Bidens fault!

This is the GOP's fault. Full stop.

Biden is the one who rammed through a railroad agreement while betraying workers. So yes it is his fault.
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« Reply #88 on: December 01, 2022, 05:36:02 PM »

Fascinating example of horseshoe theory here.
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« Reply #89 on: December 01, 2022, 05:39:44 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.

Yes, definitely Biden's fault that only 6 Republicans in the senate and 3 Republicans in the House could be bothered to vote to give workers 7 days of sick leave. Definitely Bidens fault!

This is the GOP's fault. Full stop.

Biden is the one who rammed through a railroad agreement while betraying workers. So yes it is his fault.

To prevent a cataclysmic strike that would've been horrific for this country. I'm all for workers rights, but unfortunately something had to give here. The alternative would've been disastrous. Do not get high and mighty here.

Again, maybe if the Republicans could've offered more than 3 house votes and 6 senate votes to a 7-day sick day leave agreement - which is not in any way shape or form asking for a lot - all of this *COULD* have been averted! So who is really to blame right now? The party who tried to do something, or the party who actively worked against the workers and made sure they did not get what they wanted? Give me a break.
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« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2022, 05:52:01 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.

Yes, definitely Biden's fault that only 6 Republicans in the senate and 3 Republicans in the House could be bothered to vote to give workers 7 days of sick leave. Definitely Bidens fault!

This is the GOP's fault. Full stop.

Biden is the one who rammed through a railroad agreement while betraying workers. So yes it is his fault.

To prevent a cataclysmic strike that would've been horrific for this country. I'm all for workers rights, but unfortunately something had to give here. The alternative would've been disastrous. Do not get high and mighty here.

Again, maybe if the Republicans could've offered more than 3 house votes and 6 senate votes to a 7-day sick day leave agreement - which is not in any way shape or form asking for a lot - all of this *COULD* have been averted! So who is really to blame right now? The party who tried to do something, or the party who actively worked against the workers and made sure they did not get what they wanted? Give me a break.

It’s not a binary choice either. Biden could have nationalized the railroads like Wilson did temporarily AFAIK and accepted their contract.
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« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2022, 06:02:18 PM »
« Edited: December 01, 2022, 09:29:26 PM by NYDem »

paid leave goes down 52-43, despite Cruz and Sanders having a fist bump.

Absolute whipping failure here. 7 Republican flips should've meant 57-43 at the least. What a disappointment from the admin.
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« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2022, 06:42:59 PM »

paid leave goes down 52-43, despite Cruz and Sanders having a fist bump.

Rare Cruz W but unfortunately it doesn't matter.
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« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2022, 07:09:12 PM »

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« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2022, 07:20:38 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.

Yes, definitely Biden's fault that only 6 Republicans in the senate and 3 Republicans in the House could be bothered to vote to give workers 7 days of sick leave. Definitely Bidens fault!

This is the GOP's fault. Full stop.

Biden is the one who rammed through a railroad agreement while betraying workers. So yes it is his fault.

To prevent a cataclysmic strike that would've been horrific for this country. I'm all for workers rights, but unfortunately something had to give here. The alternative would've been disastrous. Do not get high and mighty here.

Again, maybe if the Republicans could've offered more than 3 house votes and 6 senate votes to a 7-day sick day leave agreement - which is not in any way shape or form asking for a lot - all of this *COULD* have been averted! So who is really to blame right now? The party who tried to do something, or the party who actively worked against the workers and made sure they did not get what they wanted? Give me a break.

It’s not a binary choice either. Biden could have nationalized the railroads like Wilson did temporarily AFAIK and accepted their contract.

Wilson did so under the argument that he had War powers during WW1.

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« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2022, 07:24:02 PM »

Every American should have a right to paid sick leave. It's disgusting that the US remains one of the few countries in the world without such a right.

Not Federally. But 15 States have some type of sick leave mandate. 79 percent of workers according to BLS have paid sick leave, the exception I guess, are smaller companies or anomalies like the railroads.
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« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2022, 10:53:43 PM »

Hey, if you don't like it, just elect checks notes 70 more Democrats to the Senate.
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« Reply #97 on: December 01, 2022, 10:54:48 PM »

Fascinating example of horseshoe theory here.

And just as much an example of fishhook theory, but we all knew that.

The only bipartisan consensus in Washington is looting from the poor to fund the excesses of the rich.
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« Reply #98 on: December 01, 2022, 11:06:53 PM »

The Democrats are not a labor party anymore. They are an upscale liberal party.

We have gone back to the days of bourbon democracy, so enjoy the lip service and occasional trinkets they throw your way and don't be surprised if they also expect you to be grateful for it also.

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« Reply #99 on: December 01, 2022, 11:08:29 PM »

Worst move of Biden’s presidency by far.

Yes, definitely Biden's fault that only 6 Republicans in the senate and 3 Republicans in the House could be bothered to vote to give workers 7 days of sick leave. Definitely Bidens fault!

This is the GOP's fault. Full stop.

Biden is the one who rammed through a railroad agreement while betraying workers. So yes it is his fault.

To prevent a cataclysmic strike that would've been horrific for this country. I'm all for workers rights, but unfortunately something had to give here. The alternative would've been disastrous. Do not get high and mighty here.

Again, maybe if the Republicans could've offered more than 3 house votes and 6 senate votes to a 7-day sick day leave agreement - which is not in any way shape or form asking for a lot - all of this *COULD* have been averted! So who is really to blame right now? The party who tried to do something, or the party who actively worked against the workers and made sure they did not get what they wanted? Give me a break.

It’s not a binary choice either. Biden could have nationalized the railroads like Wilson did temporarily AFAIK and accepted their contract.

My God the horror!!!

What would the banking and tech execs think? They might get scared and think they are next or something and not dole out their precious blood money.
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