In general, do you side more with Israel or Palestine?
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  In general, do you side more with Israel or Palestine?
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« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2022, 06:30:00 PM »

As I stated, a necessary precondition for a Palestinian state is that the Palestinians admit defeat and accept whatever terms the Israelis are willing to give them.

And with that comment you show you have no credibility. 
Your post does not. Israel holds all the cards. As far as Israelis are concerned, the "conflict" is over and Israel has won.



The only truly reliable “card” Israel holds is the US veto on the UN Security Council.
also nukes and the best military in the region, it's the only reason they still exist.  Both are more valuable to their existence than anything the UN could do for them.  I suppose it could be argued that there are thing the UN could do to Israel because the UN is full of anti-Semitic racists and the US protects Israel from that possibility, but...
1.is the west really going to sit by while the third world tries to destroy Israel?  or, Og forbid, assist them with it?  Seems unlikely.
2.I wouldn't be quick to bet against Israel even in such a situation
3.lists have three things
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« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2022, 10:26:06 PM »
« Edited: December 03, 2022, 10:30:17 PM by All Along The Watchtower »

“The Third World” “Arab-Islamic”

I get it, you think Israel is a Civilized (TM) bulwark against the dangerous barbaric hordes. This opinion is common within the so-called Western world.

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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2022, 12:17:30 AM »

Israel is an illegitimate apartheid state
So are most countries in the Islamic world. Albania excepted.

The Palestinians and the Rohingya are the largest stateless populations and are both Muslim in non Muslim countries. At least we don't give Myanmar military aid.
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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2022, 01:01:00 PM »

Israel is an illegitimate apartheid state
So are most countries in the Islamic world. Albania excepted.

The Palestinians and the Rohingya are the largest stateless populations and are both Muslim in non Muslim countries. At least we don't give Myanmar military aid.
the Rohingya are so far down this list I don't even want to count.  The Palestinians are 8th largest <golf clap>.  If there is a stateless Muslim group you want to feel bad for, we have the Kurds (more than 5 times more of them with a story every bit as tragic as the Palestinians) or Uyghurs (3 times more of them with an even sadder story).
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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2022, 02:08:19 PM »

Plenty of Palestinians and pro-Palestinian activists have also condemned the genocidal actions against the Rohingya and Uyghurs by Myanmar and China respectively. And indeed, the silence or tacit support of the latter by so many governments in the Islamic world who are shamelessly currying favor with China is absolutely disgraceful and has been noted by many.

None of that lessens the concern and anger so many have over the plight of the Palestinians, nor should it. People are allowed to care about many things.
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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2022, 02:15:02 PM »

And just to be clear, I’ve never denied that Israel (and the US) are far from the only countries complicit in the Palestinians’ plight. Indeed, many of their so-called “allies” have been every bit as bad, cynically using the Struggle (TM) (h/t to Nathan) to preserve their own political power, increase their regional influence, deflect domestic criticism, and of course, weaponize anti-Semitism—none of it to the benefit of ordinary Palestinians.
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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2022, 10:09:24 PM »

Israel is an illegitimate apartheid state
So are most countries in the Islamic world. Albania excepted.

The Palestinians and the Rohingya are the largest stateless populations and are both Muslim in non Muslim countries. At least we don't give Myanmar military aid.
the Rohingya are so far down this list I don't even want to count.  The Palestinians are 8th largest <golf clap>.  If there is a stateless Muslim group you want to feel bad for, we have the Kurds (more than 5 times more of them with a story every bit as tragic as the Palestinians) or Uyghurs (3 times more of them with an even sadder story).

The Kurds are an oppressed group like the Uyghurs. But aren't quite stateless. Turkey, a NATO member is a large part of the problems Kurds face both in Turkey and Syria.
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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2022, 12:52:48 AM »

Israel is an illegitimate apartheid state
So are most countries in the Islamic world. Albania excepted.

The Palestinians and the Rohingya are the largest stateless populations and are both Muslim in non Muslim countries. At least we don't give Myanmar military aid.
the Rohingya are so far down this list I don't even want to count.  The Palestinians are 8th largest <golf clap>.  If there is a stateless Muslim group you want to feel bad for, we have the Kurds (more than 5 times more of them with a story every bit as tragic as the Palestinians) or Uyghurs (3 times more of them with an even sadder story).

The Kurds are an oppressed group like the Uyghurs. But aren't quite stateless. Turkey, a NATO member is a large part of the problems Kurds face both in Turkey and Syria.
they are way more "stateless" than the Palestinians.
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