MO-Remington : DeSantis 38 Trump 34 Hawley 7

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/mojeanevans/status/1593972559107719168

[Alben Barkley]

I think it’s actually happening… I think the GOP is finally abandoning Trump. I mean he’s losing to DeSantis in MISSOURI? With Hawley taking probably more votes from DeSantis than Trump? That’s just pitiful.

[Spectator]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

[Alben Barkley]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

This feels different.

[DaleCooper]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

This feels different.

It is different. Keep in mind that Trump led damn near 100% of the polls in 2015.

[Roll Roons]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

This feels different.

Yeah. Trump has 100% name ID and Missouri is a state full of conservative rural Evangelicals.

There is no way DeSantis comes close to matching his name recognition here, so for him to be leading at this stage is a REALLY big deal.

[Comrade Funk]

I'm seeing a lot of coping here. Trump is down 4 with his back against the wall. DeSantis is a loser wimp with zero charisma who has been aided by an easy job.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

As I pointed out before, DeSantis doesn't have a key issue that can be leveraged to separate him from the base. Furthermore, a story has not come out about him shutting down a bridge in Miami to get back at a political opponent.

[DaleCooper]

As I pointed out before, DeSantis doesn't have a key issue that can be leveraged to separate him from the base. Furthermore, a story has not come out about him shutting down a bridge in Miami to get back at a political opponent.

He's also lucky in that the liberal media hates him, and they're clearly preparing to start saying that he's worse than Trump the same way they started saying that Trump was worse than Bush.

The biggest risk to DeSantis would be if the liberal and leftwing media started portraying him as this man who could save the GOP. That would sink him immediately because their primaries are driven by a lot of spite.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

It may not be his high water mark, but people who are not expecting ups and downs clearly did not pay attention (or were not old enough to be able to pay attention) during the 2016 Republican primary, or for that matter the 2012 one.

One non-Trump candidate will temporarily rise to seemingly high levels of support, and then implode shortly thereafter. Then rinse and repeat until you run out of non-Trump candidates.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

Yeah. Trump has 100% name ID and Missouri is a state full of conservative rural Evangelicals.

Trump's base was not conservative rural Evangelicals. Remember, he started things off by losing Iowa, and he could not find a bible verse if one fell from the sky and landed in his lap.

Evangelicals were considering other candidates before eventually falling in line and becoming Trump cultists.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

As I pointed out before, DeSantis doesn't have a key issue that can be leveraged to separate him from the base. Furthermore, a story has not come out about him shutting down a bridge in Miami to get back at a political opponent.

He's also lucky in that the liberal media hates him, and they're clearly preparing to start saying that he's worse than Trump the same way they started saying that Trump was worse than Bush.

The biggest risk to DeSantis would be if the liberal and leftwing media started portraying him as this man who could save the GOP. That would sink him immediately because their primaries are driven by a lot of spite.

That's the thing though, they'll likely wait until DeSantis gets the nomination to start the Trump rehabilitation. As of right now, it seems that even though DeSantis is more conservative on policy, the left still views Trump as more of a threat because of his disregard for system norms, and that will definitely hurt DeSantis among the conservative base if it continues. The one thing that could really change that is if Trump attacks DeSantis from the left. Trump did get some props from TYT and other leftist outfits for criticizing DeSantis on vaccines.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

It may not be his high water mark, but people who are not expecting ups and downs clearly did not pay attention (or were not old enough to be able to pay attention) during the 2016 Republican primary, or for that matter the 2012 one.

One non-Trump candidate will temporarily rise to seemingly high levels of support, and then implode shortly thereafter. Then rinse and repeat until you run out of non-Trump candidates.

One major difference between 2012 and 2016 is the non Romney and non Trump candidates never had such a commanding lead over the rest of the pack like DeSantis does over the non Trump field today . Also DeSantis unlike the others is not a flash in the pan candidate and has been building his narrative for years at this point .

At the end of the day the ability to control a narrative is extremely important and DeSantis has shown to be good at that as Well

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

One major difference between 2012 and 2016 is the non Romney and non Trump candidates never had such a commanding lead over the rest of the pack like DeSantis does over the non Trump field today.

Look:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html#!



It is literally one after the other of non-Romney candidates rising to commanding leads over the rest of the pack to challenge Romney, and then collapsing.

First Perry rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Perry exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner in a debate, and Perry collapses shortly thereafter.

Next Cain rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Cain exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner in a debate, and Cain collapses shortly thereafter.

Next Gingrich rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Gingrich exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner (don't remember if it was really a debate that did the coup de grace), and Gingrich collapses.

Next Gingrich rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Gingrich exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner (don't remember if it was really a debate that did the coup de grace), and Gingrich collapses.

In 2016, you had the same sort of dynamic with other candidates rising up to challenge Trump, leaving the other ones in the dust for a week or two, and then collapsing, the main difference being that they could not rise as high as the one-hit-wonders of 2012 because Trump was consolidating too quickly.

Also DeSantis unlike the others is not a flash in the pan candidate and has been building his narrative for years at this point .

So had Rick Perry, Gingrich, Scott Walker, etc. They didn't just appear from out of nowhere and suddenly run for President.

At the end of the day the ability to control a narrative is extremely important and DeSantis has shown to be good at that as Well

He followed the narratives set by Trump. He has yet to show that he can set a narrative in opposition to Trump and win out over the Trump narrative.

[OSR stands with Israel]

One major difference between 2012 and 2016 is the non Romney and non Trump candidates never had such a commanding lead over the rest of the pack like DeSantis does over the non Trump field today.

Look:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html#!



It is literally one after the other of non-Romney candidates rising to commanding leads over the rest of the pack to challenge Romney, and then collapsing.

First Perry rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Perry exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner in a debate, and Perry collapses shortly thereafter.

Next Cain rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Cain exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner in a debate, and Cain collapses shortly thereafter.

Next Gingrich rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Gingrich exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner (don't remember if it was really a debate that did the coup de grace), and Gingrich collapses.

Next Gingrich rises to a commanding lead in comparison to everyone else other than Romney. Then people see Gingrich exposed to the scrutiny of a front runner (don't remember if it was really a debate that did the coup de grace), and Gingrich collapses.

In 2016, you had the same sort of dynamic with other candidates rising up to challenge Trump, leaving the other ones in the dust for a week or two, and then collapsing, the main difference being that they could not rise as high as the one-hit-wonders of 2012 because Trump was consolidating too quickly.

Also DeSantis unlike the others is not a flash in the pan candidate and has been building his narrative for years at this point .

So had Rick Perry, Gingrich, Scott Walker, etc. They didn't just appear from out of nowhere and suddenly run for President.

At the end of the day the ability to control a narrative is extremely important and DeSantis has shown to be good at that as Well

He followed the narratives set by Trump. He has yet to show that he can set a narrative in opposition to Trump and win out over the Trump narrative.

Perry , Newt, Walker never had the consistent dominating leaders over the rest of the field as DeSantis does today and that is a critical difference. DeSantis actually has had this advantage for over a year now while Perry, and Newt just surged at different times in the campaign and Walker just misjudged the mood of the base.

[Crackerjack McJohnson]

How come Republicans who think they need to get back to being a "proper" and "respectable" party think DeSantis would be an answer to that?  He's the governor of a state where everyone is an overly-tanned meth addict and he spent his victory speech going on about woke people.  What woke people are in Florida?  Most woke people I know hate Florida.  Key West?  Yea maybe a lot of gay folks in Key West but they bring in big-time vacation revenue and Ron-Ron would be stupid to tick them off with his wild ramblings about Woke.  My auntie watches MSNBC all day and thinks DeSantis is worse than Trump, actually. 

If they want to get respectable again like the good ol' days of Bob Dole they ought to nominate a mild-mannered state legislator from Nebraska who just think the dang government should let him farm and own an assault rifle. 

[DaleCooper]

How come Republicans who think they need to get back to being a "proper" and "respectable" party think DeSantis would be an answer to that?  He's the governor of a state where everyone is an overly-tanned meth addict and he spent his victory speech going on about woke people.  What woke people are in Florida?  Most woke people I know hate Florida.  Key West?  Yea maybe a lot of gay folks in Key West but they bring in big-time vacation revenue and Ron-Ron would be stupid to tick them off with his wild ramblings about Woke.  My auntie watches MSNBC all day and thinks DeSantis is worse than Trump, actually. 

If they want to get respectable again like the good ol' days of Bob Dole they ought to nominate a mild-mannered state legislator from Nebraska who just think the dang government should let him farm and own an assault rifle. 

It's graded on a curve, I suppose. Relative to Trump, DeSantis is proper and respectable, lol.

[Ljube]

How come Republicans who think they need to get back to being a "proper" and "respectable" party think DeSantis would be an answer to that?  He's the governor of a state where everyone is an overly-tanned meth addict and he spent his victory speech going on about woke people.  What woke people are in Florida?  Most woke people I know hate Florida.  Key West?  Yea maybe a lot of gay folks in Key West but they bring in big-time vacation revenue and Ron-Ron would be stupid to tick them off with his wild ramblings about Woke.  My auntie watches MSNBC all day and thinks DeSantis is worse than Trump, actually. 

If they want to get respectable again like the good ol' days of Bob Dole they ought to nominate a mild-mannered state legislator from Nebraska who just think the dang government should let him farm and own an assault rifle. 

And lose.

We are tired of losing.

[2016]

I think it’s actually happening… I think the GOP is finally abandoning Trump. I mean he’s losing to DeSantis in MISSOURI? With Hawley taking probably more votes from DeSantis than Trump? That’s just pitiful.

About time for freakings sake!!!

[2016]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

You are talking nonsense. Trump should be crushing DeSantis in MO by 20, 25 Points with his 100 % Name Recognition among Republicans + MO being a State with very high Evangelicals in GOP Primaries and he is not.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This is DeSantis’ high water mark, much like the Christie 2013 buzz post-win

You are talking nonsense. Trump should be crushing DeSantis in MO by 20, 25 Points with his 100 % Name Recognition among Republicans + MO being a State with very high Evangelicals in GOP Primaries and he is not.

DeSanttis or Trump aren't winning the 303 map we netted State legislature seats in MI and PA and kept the Gov of WJ, he can only win red states against BIDEN , and Baldwin, STABENOW and Casey whom won their races by 6/10 pts in 2012/2018 they are gonna win again

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

How come Republicans who think they need to get back to being a "proper" and "respectable" party think DeSantis would be an answer to that?  He's the governor of a state where everyone is an overly-tanned meth addict and he spent his victory speech going on about woke people.  What woke people are in Florida?  Most woke people I know hate Florida.  Key West?  Yea maybe a lot of gay folks in Key West but they bring in big-time vacation revenue and Ron-Ron would be stupid to tick them off with his wild ramblings about Woke.  My auntie watches MSNBC all day and thinks DeSantis is worse than Trump, actually. 

If they want to get respectable again like the good ol' days of Bob Dole they ought to nominate a mild-mannered state legislator from Nebraska who just think the dang government should let him farm and own an assault rifle. 

And lose.

We are tired of losing.

Weren't you the same user that said CCM was gonna lose surprised I told you it was split voting between Lombardo and CCM you can't base everything off of VBM outside of FL

[RINO Tom]

How come Republicans who think they need to get back to being a "proper" and "respectable" party think DeSantis would be an answer to that?  He's the governor of a state where everyone is an overly-tanned meth addict and he spent his victory speech going on about woke people.  What woke people are in Florida?  Most woke people I know hate Florida.  Key West?  Yea maybe a lot of gay folks in Key West but they bring in big-time vacation revenue and Ron-Ron would be stupid to tick them off with his wild ramblings about Woke.  My auntie watches MSNBC all day and thinks DeSantis is worse than Trump, actually. 

If they want to get respectable again like the good ol' days of Bob Dole they ought to nominate a mild-mannered state legislator from Nebraska who just think the dang government should let him farm and own an assault rifle. 

You can be “proper” and still condemn woke extremists … purple-haired freaks who get offended by the wind aren’t any more appealing to polite society than Trump.

[Crackerjack McJohnson]

How come Republicans who think they need to get back to being a "proper" and "respectable" party think DeSantis would be an answer to that?  He's the governor of a state where everyone is an overly-tanned meth addict and he spent his victory speech going on about woke people.  What woke people are in Florida?  Most woke people I know hate Florida.  Key West?  Yea maybe a lot of gay folks in Key West but they bring in big-time vacation revenue and Ron-Ron would be stupid to tick them off with his wild ramblings about Woke.  My auntie watches MSNBC all day and thinks DeSantis is worse than Trump, actually. 

If they want to get respectable again like the good ol' days of Bob Dole they ought to nominate a mild-mannered state legislator from Nebraska who just think the dang government should let him farm and own an assault rifle. 

You can be “proper” and still condemn woke extremists … purple-haired freaks who get offended by the wind aren’t any more appealing to polite society than Trump.

My cousin has purple hair.  What's wrong with that?  I think it looks cool and she's not a WOKESTER~!

[Enduro]

I think it’s actually happening… I think the GOP is finally abandoning Trump. I mean he’s losing to DeSantis in MISSOURI? With Hawley taking probably more votes from DeSantis than Trump? That’s just pitiful.

One can only hope.