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« on: November 19, 2022, 02:18:16 PM »

Popped into my head recently that I had no idea what Wallace's foreign policy in '68 was. That led to me thinking about the Southern Democrats in general as a movement, they seem to be in lockstep with each other on most other issues, did that extend to foreign policy as well?

If so, were the Southern Democrats generally more interventionist or isolationist?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2022, 02:46:40 PM »

Which time period?
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2022, 04:22:34 PM »

Good question, I'm thinking post-war for sure. Height of the Civil Rights movement. Everything between Thurmond's and Wallace's runs.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2022, 04:48:19 PM »

Wallace’s only real foray into foreign policy in 1968, if I recall correctly, unsurprisingly concerned Vietnam, where he pledged a massive escalation of military pressure against the North Vietnamese, albeit with the proviso that if this didn’t end the war in 90 days then he’d begin to withdraw US forces. This, presumably, was what attracted Curtis LeMay to join the AIP ticket (which resulted in him making off colour statements about nuclear weapons that badly damaged the Wallace campaign).
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2022, 07:13:57 PM »

The Dixiecrats were strongly "anti-communist" and opposed to the anti-war movement, as they were on opposite sides of the sixties culture wars, but I don't know if they had much of a unified foreign policy vision other than opposing those no-good student protestors. By choosing LeMay as his running mate George Wallace certainly looked like a hawk whether he was or not.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2022, 09:57:09 PM »

Southern Dems at least since the days of Wilson were some of the loudest voices for internationalism and foreign interventionism with some obvious exceptions including Senator Reynolds of North Carolina. Along with some ex-Socialists, they formed the basis of the neoconservative movement that would help bring Reagan into office.

Wallace's foreign policy reminded me a lot of Trump's. Stay out of foreign entanglements unless you're sure of victory, then go all in.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2022, 11:23:27 PM »

Southern Dems at least since the days of Wilson were some of the loudest voices for internationalism and foreign interventionism with some obvious exceptions including Senator Reynolds of North Carolina. Along with some ex-Socialists, they formed the basis of the neoconservative movement that would help bring Reagan into office.

Wallace's foreign policy reminded me a lot of Trump's. Stay out of foreign entanglements unless you're sure of victory, then go all in.

Wallace had more of a "Jacksonian" foreign policy, which befit his largely up country South base.

Coincidentally, in the South, Trump shares largely the same base of support.

Many of these same areas saw Democratic gains or solid holds in 2006 against Bush era Republicanism.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2022, 12:14:47 AM »

Southern Dems at least since the days of Wilson were some of the loudest voices for internationalism and foreign interventionism with some obvious exceptions including Senator Reynolds of North Carolina. Along with some ex-Socialists, they formed the basis of the neoconservative movement that would help bring Reagan into office.

Wallace's foreign policy reminded me a lot of Trump's. Stay out of foreign entanglements unless you're sure of victory, then go all in.

Wallace had more of a "Jacksonian" foreign policy, which befit his largely up country South base.

Coincidentally, in the South, Trump shares largely the same base of support.

Many of these same areas saw Democratic gains or solid holds in 2006 against Bush era Republicanism.
What sort of foreign policy did “down country” Southern politicians favor?
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2022, 01:24:15 AM »

Southern Dems at least since the days of Wilson were some of the loudest voices for internationalism and foreign interventionism with some obvious exceptions including Senator Reynolds of North Carolina. Along with some ex-Socialists, they formed the basis of the neoconservative movement that would help bring Reagan into office.

Wallace's foreign policy reminded me a lot of Trump's. Stay out of foreign entanglements unless you're sure of victory, then go all in.

Wallace had more of a "Jacksonian" foreign policy, which befit his largely up country South base.

Coincidentally, in the South, Trump shares largely the same base of support.

Many of these same areas saw Democratic gains or solid holds in 2006 against Bush era Republicanism.

Oh definitely. Trump is like a mad scientist taking Wallaceism (who was essentially a 1960s version of Andrew Jackson) and Reaganism,  mixing them together and adding some Bircherism/ultranationalism to top it off. I'd argue that Tucker Carlson is practically a modern day Wallace though.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2022, 02:16:14 AM »

Southern Dems at least since the days of Wilson were some of the loudest voices for internationalism and foreign interventionism with some obvious exceptions including Senator Reynolds of North Carolina. Along with some ex-Socialists, they formed the basis of the neoconservative movement that would help bring Reagan into office.

Wallace's foreign policy reminded me a lot of Trump's. Stay out of foreign entanglements unless you're sure of victory, then go all in.

Wallace had more of a "Jacksonian" foreign policy, which befit his largely up country South base.

Coincidentally, in the South, Trump shares largely the same base of support.

Many of these same areas saw Democratic gains or solid holds in 2006 against Bush era Republicanism.
What sort of foreign policy did “down country” Southern politicians favor?

Its generally referred to as "Low Country", but militantly anti-communist for one. If the poster boy for the up country "rogue Democrat" is Wallace, than that of the Low Country is Strom Thurmond. Thurmond was a Republican by 1968 and supported Nixon as did much of the low country and Southern middle class/suburban vote.

The dividing line between Wilsonian and Jacksonian can get rather fuzzy, especially in terms of willingness to fight a war. The differences are the motivations for doing so, and the appetite for a long term conflict/occupation.

Jacksonians would have been all in on retaliation after 911, but would have soured on Bush as Iraq dragged on and the motivations became less clear. The idealistic Wilsonian justifications about spreading Democracy and "at least we got rid of a brutal dictator would not have much appeal to Jacksonians at all. It is at this point that Anti-War politics gains steam in the region. You saw this in Vietnam in parts of Kentucky, Tennessee and Arkansas. This is why Nixon, with his outer-South strategy had to pull off a delicate balancing act between promising to end the war and not allowing America to lose to the Commies. You also saw temporary surges of support for Dewey in 1944 in places like Tennessee that did not carry over to 1948 at all.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2023, 03:52:37 PM »

Southern Democrats generally supported free trade, business-friendly labor policy, and a "states rights" position on racial questions. Otherwise there was a wide diversity of views, including foreign policy.

Harry Byrd (both Sr. & Jr.) and William Fulbright tended to be skeptical of foreign intervention, but there were others who were much more supportive.
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2023, 02:14:30 AM »

Big tent. Dixiecrats' whole thing was domestic issues, and there were a variety of opinions on the foreign policy issues of the day among their politicians and especially their voters. George Wallace, for one, advocated for a brief but massive escalation in Vietnam to end the war, which suggests a need to bring all Dixiecrats together on the issue with a "centrist" approach to me.
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2023, 03:12:12 AM »

John Nance Garner was opposed to giving aid to Great Britain, which was the main reason that FDR ran for a third term.
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