TX-SEN 2024 megathread: The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer

[CentristRepublican]

Schumer needs to authorize a late bombardment for the rest of the campaign (something that should have happened weeks ago). If Cruz wins by less than 2018, I want his resignation as Leader. This has been a winnable race and the only Plan B to things going wrong on the original path (which appears to be the case at the moment).

I want his resignation if he gives Allred a cent. Any Senate majority earned by that craven sellout winning is, to quote another Texan, not worth a bucket of warm piss. Mucarsel Powell is running in a state that will likely end up being just as red as Texas nationally, and she hasn't insulted minorities. Hell, Tester and Brown aren't going around misgendering trans girls, and they're in states the GOP will win by double digits-with Brown looking competative and Tester still having an outside shot. Brown and M-P are the ones who should get money if the Democrats don't want someone who'll cave to each and every GOP demand.

...What??
[...]

This poster was expressing dissatisfaction with Allred pandering to the right on the trans sports issue, and apparently views this as him being susceptible to Manchin/Sinema-style triangulation on other important issues in the event he becomes a Senator.

Even if he actually believes this, I'm sure Ted Cruz will be friendly to trans issues in the senate? Right?

I don't need to choose which of two dogsh**t people I want to endorse, especially when I am not Texan, when Allred is likely to lose despite his pandering (at this point, Trump is winning Texas by 5+ points, and I don't see how Cruz is gonna underperform that much), when other promising candidates exist, when Texas is likely not even Dem Seat 50 in my eyes, when I already disagreed with Allred on a lot of issues (and still backed him enthusiastically up until then) and, again, when there'll basically be no difference between the two majority wise- Allred making Schumer ML will get him to allow votes on justices and bills to be voted on, but that isn't gonna do anything because Allred is just gonna shoot it all down.

This is quite the slippery slope to go down over ONE problematic political issue (where Allred has hardly been hard-right or anything).

[CentristRepublican]

Just saw an anti-Allred ad during a football game, talking about how he supports schools performing transgender surgeries on children.

So yeah, that's how desperate things have gotten there.

The sad part though is that there are quite enough fools eating this up.

Eh, imho they'd only really appeal to the hard-right R base. More about throwing red meat at the base and getting them to turn out rather than persuading anybody.

[Compuzled_One]

Schumer needs to authorize a late bombardment for the rest of the campaign (something that should have happened weeks ago). If Cruz wins by less than 2018, I want his resignation as Leader. This has been a winnable race and the only Plan B to things going wrong on the original path (which appears to be the case at the moment).

I want his resignation if he gives Allred a cent. Any Senate majority earned by that craven sellout winning is, to quote another Texan, not worth a bucket of warm piss. Mucarsel Powell is running in a state that will likely end up being just as red as Texas nationally, and she hasn't insulted minorities. Hell, Tester and Brown aren't going around misgendering trans girls, and they're in states the GOP will win by double digits-with Brown looking competative and Tester still having an outside shot. Brown and M-P are the ones who should get money if the Democrats don't want someone who'll cave to each and every GOP demand.

...What??
[...]

This poster was expressing dissatisfaction with Allred pandering to the right on the trans sports issue, and apparently views this as him being susceptible to Manchin/Sinema-style triangulation on other important issues in the event he becomes a Senator.

Even if he actually believes this, I'm sure Ted Cruz will be friendly to trans issues in the senate? Right?

I don't need to choose which of two dogsh**t people I want to endorse, especially when I am not Texan, when Allred is likely to lose despite his pandering (at this point, Trump is winning Texas by 5+ points, and I don't see how Cruz is gonna underperform that much), when other promising candidates exist, when Texas is likely not even Dem Seat 50 in my eyes, when I already disagreed with Allred on a lot of issues (and still backed him enthusiastically up until then) and, again, when there'll basically be no difference between the two majority wise- Allred making Schumer ML will get him to allow votes on justices and bills to be voted on, but that isn't gonna do anything because Allred is just gonna shoot it all down.

This is quite the slippery slope to go down over ONE problematic political issue (where Allred has hardly been hard-right or anything).

He budged on an issue basically no one gives a sh**t about, and one no other Democrat running budged on, even in state's twice as red as Texas. It's not even the first thing he buckled on-Allred has conceded to Cruz on immigration, fracking, Israel, and maybe more. And there's one thing that might make him even more disloyal than Manchin and Sinema-he'll be up in a midterm, meaning it's entirely possible he sabotages Harris so she loses in 2030. With all this, I think it's completely possible he won't back anything that wouldn't have passed without him. Even without that, I don't want to be endorsing bigots, and I certainly wouldn't enjoy the Dems doing so, especially since Texas likely won't be the tipping point in my eyes.

[ProgressiveModerate]

I agree I think Allred taking up a more "moderate" position on the trans issue was sort of stupid. It would be different if he said he opposed transgender surgeries for minors and men competing in women's support while also making a greater effort to stand up to Cruz attacking the community during the debate.

As for if he'd be a thorn in Harris's side like Manchin or Sinema, I doubt it for a variety of reasons - one being that demographics are likely to continue pushing TX left such that a 2030 re-election bid might be more feasible without having to make serious panders to the center because the median voter will be pushed left.

I mean just look what happened to Sinema - she made a real effort to be super moderate and distance herself from Dems in her 2018 run but by 2024 Democrats believed they could win statewide with a more "normal" Dem such that she didn't have any viable path through a primary.

[CentristRepublican]

I agree I think Allred taking up a more "moderate" position on the trans issue was sort of stupid. It would be different if he said he opposed transgender surgeries for minors and men competing in women's support while also making a greater effort to stand up to Cruz attacking the community during the debate.

As for if he'd be a thorn in Harris's side like Manchin or Sinema, I doubt it for a variety of reasons - one being that demographics are likely to continue pushing TX left such that a 2030 re-election bid might be more feasible without having to make serious panders to the center because the median voter will be pushed left.

I mean just look what happened to Sinema - she made a real effort to be super moderate and distance herself from Dems in her 2018 run but by 2024 Democrats believed they could win statewide with a more "normal" Dem such that she didn't have any viable path through a primary.

Yeah, I honestly have no issue with Allred positioning himself as a centrist for now and then tacking leftward as TX naturally drifts left as well due to demographics. It wouldn't be much different than the likes of, say, Kristen Gillibrand, who went from a moderate to a full-on progressive.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Trump is up 55)45 in the state now the seat is lost

[SCNCmod]

Is it unacceptable for Dems to take the position that women's sports should be off limits to transgender women .. while also supporting trans rights in every other way? If i'm not mistaken this is what over 50% of Dems believe. I don't think this position is going to change any going forward. If anything the number of dems who take this position is likely to increase, as people research it a bit further and put more thought into it.

[Roll Roons]

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1848331767750504577
Focusing on abortion.

[wbrocks67]

Better late than never. Could've begun earlier, but given TX early voting starts today, I imagine it's a play to really bombard it at the end when everyone's voting.

[SCNCmod]

This is certainly good.. But need to also not give up on FL.. latest poll has Senate race out performing presidential race by 7pts in Florida. Also- you have 2 ballot initiatives in FL that should help Dems.. and the 1st Latino(a) at the top of the ticket for dems (Senate/ Gov-lt gov).

[Roll Roons]

Btw, looks like this money is all for digital and radio, so still no TV investments.

[wbrocks67]

Btw, looks like this money is all for digital and radio, so still no TV investments.

The ad rates now are probably horrific so it probably isn't worth it

[Mr. Smith]

Just voted an hour ago.

All of this wuss talk from Allred convinced me to do a WI, what with the lack of a Green or Socialist or ASP option.

Cruz will win my county anyway and most likely overall, so uh, not sorry.

Ironic considering I thought I would be doing a WI or Sonski vote against Biden, and steadfastly supporting Guttierez or Allred.

Voted Republican in a few lower levels where it was practically North Korea or China options.

[CentristRepublican]

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1848331767750504577
Focusing on abortion.

It took them THIS long to switch from targeting Rick ing Scott to Ted Cruz instead?

These ppl deserve to lose both races, though ofc I sure hope they do pull off TX at least.

[CentristRepublican]

Is it unacceptable for Dems to take the position that women's sports should be off limits to transgender women .. while also supporting trans rights in every other way? If i'm not mistaken this is what over 50% of Dems believe. I don't think this position is going to change any going forward. If anything the number of dems who take this position is likely to increase, as people research it a bit further and put more thought into it.

I for one am fine with Allred's rhetoric on this issue since it renders impotent Cruz's biggest attack right now.

This is certainly good.. But need to also not give up on FL.. latest poll has Senate race out performing presidential race by 7pts in Florida. Also- you have 2 ballot initiatives in FL that should help Dems.. and the 1st Latino(a) at the top of the ticket for dems (Senate/ Gov-lt gov).

Finite resources, zero-sum game. A dollar in Florida is a dollar out of Texas; they need to concentrate on one race (namely TX, the more competitive state) rather than spreading their resources too thin.

Ftr I think Cruz and Scott will both win, but whereas Allred at least has a fighting chance Mucarsel-Powell is a mere mirage.

[CentristRepublican]

I agree I think Allred taking up a more "moderate" position on the trans issue was sort of stupid. It would be different if he said he opposed transgender surgeries for minors and men competing in women's support while also making a greater effort to stand up to Cruz attacking the community during the debate.

As for if he'd be a thorn in Harris's side like Manchin or Sinema, I doubt it for a variety of reasons - one being that demographics are likely to continue pushing TX left such that a 2030 re-election bid might be more feasible without having to make serious panders to the center because the median voter will be pushed left.

I mean just look what happened to Sinema - she made a real effort to be super moderate and distance herself from Dems in her 2018 run but by 2024 Democrats believed they could win statewide with a more "normal" Dem such that she didn't have any viable path through a primary.

As long as he slowly but steadily drifts leftward - rather than rightward like Sinema - he'll be fine. I see him starting of a "sensible reasonable bipartisan moderate" and then by 2030/2036 becoming a standard lib rhetorically and otherwise (mind you that I expect him to vote the party line at least 90% even in 2025-2031, regardless of his rhetoric).

Social/political acceptance of trans ppl and these issues will only increase over time, and that's especially true in a state like TX which is gonna liberalize due to demographic change anyway.

This is no different than the scores of Democrats who were anti-SSM back in the 90s/2000s and who are now strong supporters of gay rights. It's unfortunate, but it's often a political necessity.

And in any case, what exactly did Allred say that's got ppl in a hissy fit, anyway?  

EDIT: Wait, I might be amnesiac...I already replied to this post. Apologies for the extra alert.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

Just voted an hour ago.

All of this wuss talk from Allred convinced to do a WI, what with the lack of a Green or Socialist or ASP option.

Cruz will win my county anyway and most likely overall, so uh, not sorry.

Ironic considering I thought I would be doing a WI or Sonski vote against Biden, and steadfastly supporting Guttierez or Allred.

Voted Republican in a few lower levels where it was practically North Korea or China options.

Ted Cruz thanks you for your support

[SCNCmod]

new poll out has it within 1 pt

[Harris is 47]

Allred voted for the Built Back Better bill,he isn't Manchin or Sinema.
He stands on trans issues aren't great but he's good on the 99% of the issues.

[Joe Biden 2028]

Allred voted for the Built Back Better bill,he isn't Manchin or Sinema.
He stands on trans issues aren't great but he's good on the 99% of the issues.

Isn't his stance the same as most Democrats (and Americans in general?)

[Farmlands]

Allred voted for the Built Back Better bill,he isn't Manchin or Sinema.
He stands on trans issues aren't great but he's good on the 99% of the issues.

Isn't his stance the same as most Democrats (and Americans in general?)

It is, and actually the majority of Democrats as well. Young white people are the group most in favor of everything related to transgender issues, so it's no surprise that there's a disconnect between Atlas and the rest of the Democratic coalition.

[Joe Biden 2028]

Allred voted for the Built Back Better bill,he isn't Manchin or Sinema.
He stands on trans issues aren't great but he's good on the 99% of the issues.

Isn't his stance the same as most Democrats (and Americans in general?)

It is, and actually the majority of Democrats as well. Young white people are the group most in favor of everything related to transgender issues, so it's no surprise that there's a disconnect between Atlas and the rest of the Democratic coalition.

I think the majority of atlas is fine, just a couple of extreme posters.

You should check out alternate history.com, they are super far left on social issues. If you said "biological males shouldn't play female sports" you'd probably be banned. Before being banned, 20 posters would attack you nonstop for being transpohbic/sexist/racist etc.

I was a member 5 years ago before leaving because how extreme it was (mind you, I was a big Bernie supporter in 2019)

I argued that 20 Democrats being on the same stage during the 2019 primary debates was too much. I was attacked for being undemocratic. I just argued that someone polling less than 1% shouldn't be on the same stage as Biden and Sanders. Well, I was called racist because Cory Booker was polling less than 1%

And I was called a conservative republican because I didn't want all student loan debt forgiven (even though I supported some). I just didn't think it was right someone went to art school with 100k debt should be forgiven. Until someone in that very situation called me names

[Lief 🗽]

https://twitter.com/patricksvitek/status/1849530319671570614?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6...

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1849518719988621639

[SCNCmod]

Colin Alred appears to be hitting his stride with his stump speech..