Opinion of North Carolina Conservative

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I disagree with most of his takes, particularly when it comes to Latin America. But he's never personally attacked me and he's still generally civil, avoiding personal attacks on other posters. FF.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I disagree with most of his takes, particularly when it comes to Latin America. But he's never personally attacked me and he's still generally civil, avoiding personal attacks on other posters. FF.

Supports firing trans people but nice guy FF

There are similarly radical people opposite him on that issue who are also FFs, despite having widely unreasonable stances on many issues. What you cited does not heavily impact the calculation.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

It seems the idea of his civility is contested. Is there anything to it besides "opinions I don't like"?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

It seems the idea of his civility is contested. Is there anything to it besides "opinions I don't like"?

Are you actually 12 years old that you think civility is all that matters and that unapologetic bigotry is just “opinions I don’t like”?

Good people can disagree on many things, but not this. He literally wants to fire people for being trans. That’s not something good people can disagree on. It is textbook bigotry and discrimination.

I've been in Discord servers where I've heard things that you would consider to be discriminatory to straight people, and gotten to know, on some level, those have said those things. Maybe I'm overexposed to extreme ideas on this broader issue that I've became unable to consider it as a solely determinative issue in how I've judge a particular person's overall character, even if I want to. I likely am. I've known a fair bunch of actual radicals on the internet. I don't litmus test for that when deciding to get to know someone.
EDIT: I should note that I don't particularly have much appetite for discussing this issue but I've seen a lot of anger be broadcasted about it. It's helped inform my general attitude towards it - not a fan of discrimination, not a fan of what it brings out from people more generally, but also not a fan of judging too much about people's character from it either. My broader goal with the internet is not to seek out people who agree with me, it has been to find chill people I can have fun with, regardless of their personal politics. I understand that's a worldview that can be foreign to you, and that's fine...diversity of thought is fine. But it's also a legitimate way of operating...

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I was not aware of the "get a real job" comments and the pattern that he does seem to display here. I am reluctantly switching my vote to HP.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I was not aware of the "get a real job" comments and the pattern that he does seem to display here. I am reluctantly switching my vote to HP.

Can you explain why you consider this opinion to be bad enough to warrant HP status but not “someone deserves to be fired for being trans”?

It seems you haven't read my posts explaining my views on this, or if you have, you simply don't understand it. If that's the case, nothing else I can say can help you very much. Not sure why it's hard to understand that someone with an anti-anti-poor worldview might be moved more by this kind of snobbery...I mention Latin America because I hold the LatAm right in uniquely strong contempt (Jeanine Anez, ew), and this is where he and I disagree probably the most strongly.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I was not aware of the "get a real job" comments and the pattern that he does seem to display here. I am reluctantly switching my vote to HP.

Can you explain why you consider this opinion to be bad enough to warrant HP status but not “someone deserves to be fired for being trans”?

It seems you haven't read my posts explaining my views on this, or if you have, you simply don't understand it. If that's the case, nothing else I can say can help you very much. Not sure why it's hard to understand that someone with an anti-anti-poor worldview might be moved more by this kind of snobbery...I mention Latin America because I hold the LatAm right in uniquely strong contempt (Jeanine Anez, ew), and this is where he and I disagree probably the most strongly.

It would be nice if you saw hatred of trans people in the same light as hatred of poor people.

I broadly dislike hatred. But hatred of the poor and hatred of trans people is really apples and oranges, and I am not saying this to claim one is OK and another is not, I'm saying this because the fashions and conventional wisdom seem to change on what reality is on gender issues quite a fair bit over time, and it feels pretty unsettled. There is a lot less that is actually clear about the latter rather than the former. The definition of the phobia is too much of a moving target for me to consider it to be in the same category.

Meanwhile, hatred of the poor is distinctly different. There's always been poor people and in no complex society has there not been some kind of hierarchy in terms of wealth and class. I can't in good faith place the two on the same pedestal. And in terms of how much harm they do society (also important), comparatively, there is no comparison. Class envy and rivalry helped fuel most of the worst crimes of the twentieth century (particularly when combined with ethnic bigotry). The evils wrought by the worst of GOP policies today on gender are awful, no doubt, but it looks like nothing in sheer scale compared to the worst of what we saw in the 20th century.

I can't think of these two bigoted animuses in the same light because they are, in fact, not the same.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I broadly dislike hatred. But hatred of the poor and hatred of trans people is really apples and oranges, and I am not saying this to claim one is OK and another is not, I'm saying this because the fashions and conventional wisdom seem to change on what reality is on gender issues quite a fair bit over time, and it feels pretty unsettled. There is a lot less that is actually clear about the latter rather than the former. The definition of the phobia is too much of a moving target for me to consider it to be in the same category.

Meanwhile, hatred of the poor is distinctly different. There's always been poor people and in no complex society has there not been some kind of hierarchy in terms of wealth and class. I can't in good faith place the two on the same pedestal. And in terms of how much harm they do society (also important), comparatively, there is no comparison. Class envy and rivalry helped fuel most of the worst crimes of the twentieth century (particularly when combined with ethnic bigotry). The evils wrought by the worst of GOP policies today on gender are awful, no doubt, but it looks like nothing in sheer scale compared to the worst of what we saw in the 20th century.

I can't think of these two bigoted animuses in the same light because they are, in fact, not the same.

Trans people deserving dignity and the right to not face discrimination is pretty unambiguously clear. Dick measuring about the level of suffering caused by hatred of us in history as if that determines how unacceptable blatant hatred of us is ridiculous.

Again, I will note that I did not say either hatred was good as enacted policy and pretty clearly said both of them suck. And I'm not going to and not trying to convince you not to be angry, that is a waste of time. But if you can't notice that activist demands themselves seem to be pretty inconsistent and hard to keep up with and the space is rife with immense division that makes it impossible to speak of them as one political community, then there is no point in taking this further. For the time being...goodbye, have a nice day.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I broadly dislike hatred. But

https://twitter.com/hegelbon/status/492741034749620224

I ascribe to the Dule School of handling this issue. I'm not home, but you can complain to the manager if you want.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I ascribe to the Dule School of handling this issue. I'm not home, but you can complain to the manager if you want.

You can't claim to not be home if you never leave your house.

I left the house multiple times this week, even though the work I do and my efforts to improve my knowledge leads me to work from home.
Get some new material.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

That's the best you can come up with, ドネレイル様? Good lord. Moments like this make me glad you aren't in my main circle of associates anymore. I've made myself new friends!
さよなら！

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Haley/Ryan, now going by North Carolina Conservative, took his present display name after arguing with me over what conservatism is and is likely meant to imply in standard GOP "you know what" measuring contest fashion that he is more conservative than me. Of course I contend that his brand of conservativism impaled with neoliberal economics and a Wilsonian foreign policy is a considerable deviation from conservative principles (the reasons which I continually articulate) and I stand by that interpretation.

Personally I hold nothing against him, but his one dimensional understanding of politics, political history and so forth leads to any number of bad takes and flawed analysis. When you take your economic philosophy and foreign policy approach straight from the liberal playbook (even if that from 100 years ago in the case of the former) you can be little surprised that he takes the one tangible conservative anchor that he has left to rather extreme ends.

Something that just struck me...the changing definition of "conservative" means that Republicans are hardly conservative when it comes to changing how they define the word "conservative"!