2008:Obama/Kerry vs Romney/Ryan after 8 years of Al Gore

[Zebulan9003]

Suppose Obama runs in 2008 to stop Joe Lieberman from getting the nomination and succeeds. He convinces Kerry to not run in exchange for making him VP. On the Republican side, Romney wins as McCain is out after losing in 2004 and he picks Paul Ryan to be his VP.

Who wins? Discuss with maps.

[Sir Mohamed]

Obama possibly waits until 2012 or 2016 here, because the odds of winning 5th term for his party are not that high.

Morely likely HRC ends up as the nominee and goes on the lose against Romney. Especially if the Lehman collapse still happens, even a candidate like Romney would win 300+ EVs and the popular vote.

[Zebulan9003]

Obama possibly waits until 2012 or 2016 here, because the odds of winning 5th term for his party are not that high.

Morely likely HRC ends up as the nominee and goes on the lose against Romney. Especially if the Lehman collapse still happens, even a candidate like Romney would win 300+ EVs and the popular vote.

I thought Hillary would have stayed out and endorsed Lieberman, while Obama wouldn't have wanted Lieberman as the nominee.

[dw93]

I doubt Obama runs. He's got a lot to lose running in 2008 after 2 terms of Gore and nothing to gain nor do I think Hillary runs for the very same reason. I think any Democrat with Presidential ambitions would sit 2008 out and clear the field for Lieberman to take the fall against Romney. Hillary would run and win the nomination in 2012 only to, abet narrowly, lose the general election to Romney. 2016 after two terms of Romney would likely be Obama's time, and he'd crush VP Ryan in the general and even with a pandemic would have good odds at being re elected in 2020.