Which Candidate to defeat an Incumbent President over the last 50 years ran the Best Campaign?
America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS:
It has to be Bill Clinton, since he literally defeated an incumbent who had massive foreign policy wins happen during their Presidency, and by a not ultra-close margin, and with a 3rd party that took tons of votes that mostly would have went to him in a 2 way race as well.
Joe Biden on the other hand ran the worst campaign of these 4, almost blowing an election during a pandemic that the incumbent mismanaged to the result of over a million deaths and massive economic destruction, after said incumbent already had leagues of scandals and issues through their Presidency and before it that would have mattered regardless of what the fundamentals were.
Alben Barkley:
Quote from: Old School Republican on October 01, 2022, 03:40:34 AM
It has to be Clinton given that:
1. The Democratic path to 270 was much harder in 1992 than the the GOP was in 1980 given Democrats had to basically break the GOP lock on the electoral college while Carter's 1976 win showed many vulnerabilities
2. The fundamentals were better in 1980 than 1992 given the economy had already started to turn around in 1992 and there was no foreign policy crises while in 1980 the economy was mired in Stagflation along side the Iran Hostage Crises
3. At the beginning of the campaign sometime in mid June , Clinton was lagging in 3rd behind Bush and Perot while Reagan had already taken the lead in the average of polls by then.
So yah my ranking would be:
1. Clinton 1992
2. Reagan 1980
3. Biden 2020
4. Carter 1976
Hell I would argue the Clinton 1992 campaign was the greatest general election campaign in the tv era.
I agree, but it also is impressive that Reagan nearly swept Carter in the South. By incredibly narrow margins in nearly every state at that.
Independents for Nihilism:
Quote from: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on October 01, 2022, 03:08:39 PM
It has to be Bill Clinton, since he literally defeated an incumbent who had massive foreign policy wins happen during their Presidency, and by a not ultra-close margin, and with a 3rd party that took tons of votes that mostly would have went to him in a 2 way race as well.
Joe Biden on the other hand ran the worst campaign of these 4, almost blowing an election during a pandemic that the incumbent mismanaged to the result of over a million deaths and massive economic destruction, after said incumbent already had leagues of scandals and issues through their Presidency and before it that would have mattered regardless of what the fundamentals were.
Can you really call Biden's campaign worse than Carter's, who nearly blew a 30-point lead and who ended up with closer margins in both the popular vote and the electoral vote?
Alben Barkley:
Quote from: Blue Grit on October 01, 2022, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on October 01, 2022, 03:08:39 PM
It has to be Bill Clinton, since he literally defeated an incumbent who had massive foreign policy wins happen during their Presidency, and by a not ultra-close margin, and with a 3rd party that took tons of votes that mostly would have went to him in a 2 way race as well.
Joe Biden on the other hand ran the worst campaign of these 4, almost blowing an election during a pandemic that the incumbent mismanaged to the result of over a million deaths and massive economic destruction, after said incumbent already had leagues of scandals and issues through their Presidency and before it that would have mattered regardless of what the fundamentals were.
Can you really call Biden's campaign worse than Carter's, who nearly blew a 30-point lead and who ended up with closer margins in both the popular vote and the electoral vote?
To be fair, some of that can be credited to Ford running a genuinely strong campaign and successfully distancing himself from Nixon.
But yes, Carter's campaign came closer to losing after starting from a stronger position, so it seems dubious at best to say Biden's campaign was worse.
OSR stands with Israel:
Quote from: Blue Grit on October 01, 2022, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on October 01, 2022, 03:08:39 PM
It has to be Bill Clinton, since he literally defeated an incumbent who had massive foreign policy wins happen during their Presidency, and by a not ultra-close margin, and with a 3rd party that took tons of votes that mostly would have went to him in a 2 way race as well.
Joe Biden on the other hand ran the worst campaign of these 4, almost blowing an election during a pandemic that the incumbent mismanaged to the result of over a million deaths and massive economic destruction, after said incumbent already had leagues of scandals and issues through their Presidency and before it that would have mattered regardless of what the fundamentals were.
Can you really call Biden's campaign worse than Carter's, who nearly blew a 30-point lead and who ended up with closer margins in both the popular vote and the electoral vote?
Also the GOP was in far worse shape in 1975-76 then they were even in 2008-09 let alone 2020 and add to the fact that the unemployment rate was higher on election day in 1976 than 2020 and the nation was far less polarized in 1976 than 2020, yah 1976 was a more almost blown election than 2020.
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