If Clinton was elected President in 2016...
Mr. Smith:
Quote from: Pres Mike on October 13, 2022, 05:41:41 PM
Quote from: Atomic-Statism on October 03, 2022, 02:25:17 PM
I used to think not, but it's worth considering that Trump's movement has been one of the heartiest and most enduring in the party in decades, and that was before he even won the election. Events during her presidency would probably strengthen his appeal: COVID (no, the butterfly effect isn't some magic wand that can wave away the evolution of a virus halfway across the world because someone else is in the White House), deteriorating relations with China, societal upheaval (technological and outsourcing-based un(der)employment, climate change, sexual harassment, migration surges, police brutality, and the reinforcement of echo chambers by social media can't be handwaved away either), and the economic disruption inherent to those things. I also used to think he wouldn't want to run again after losing, but all signs point to a Trump run in our 2024.
However, someone else might have a shot at taking Trump's place by 2020, probably either DeSantis or Josh Hawley.
Neither DeSantis nor Josh Hawley are going to run in 2020, both being first elected in 2018.
Even Obama needed four years as a senator before running for President
I expect the Republican nominee, if not Trump, would be Cruz. He is runner up and would probably copy a lot of Trump's populist rethoic
. Don't underestimate Rick Scott here.
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Quote from: SnowLabrador on October 02, 2022, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Progressive Pessimist on September 27, 2022, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: Wolverine22 on September 26, 2022, 07:59:17 PM
Yes. If not for the Comey letter Clinton would probably have been able to barely hang onto the Midwest and won a 1960-esque nailbiter. She would have had approval ratings on the 20s and 30s throughout her term as she would have still been despised by the Bernie crowd. Backlash against Covid restrictions would have been a thousand times worse since the GOP would have a common enemy to unite against.
The better than expected showing by Trump causes the party bosses to warm up to him in 2020 and he would have an interest in running again to get his ego stroked by his big crowds of adoring admirers. There would be some resistance to his renomination but not nearly enough to stop him from getting the nod. Trump would retain his outsider appeal while Hillary would be fatally damaged by four years of nonstop GOP investigations.
Her approval ratings would have gone up temporarily due to Covid but again with a common enemy the GOP would have given her the same treatment Gretchen Whitmer got IRL. Eventually as the pandemic raged on with no end in sight Trump would have campaigned on ending the lockdowns and independents would rationalize voting for him "because he'll handle Covid the same way he runs his businesses!"
Hillary would then lose the 2016 map give or take New Hampshire or Virginia and we'd have a Trump presidency with him four years further into dementia land.
Hot take: due to the butterfly effect, there wouldn't have been a pandemic under her.
Don't get me wrong, she still would have been an unpopular lame duck regardless though.
The bolded part is correct. Trump is the one who disbanded the pandemic preparedness team. Had Hillary been President, it would never have left China.
LOL.
Pres Mike:
Quote from: darklordoftech on September 27, 2022, 05:56:12 PM
Quote from: Wolverine22 on September 26, 2022, 07:59:17 PM
She would have had approval ratings on the 20s and 30s throughout her term as she would have still been despised by the Bernie crowd.
She could have built bridges with Bernie or Busters by doing the things Biden has been doing and vetoing “neoliberal” legislation.
Biden had a Democratic house and senate.
At most, Democrats win the senate. Hillary appoints some judges and fills the hole in the Supreme Court. Maybe RBG and Breyer retire.
Come 2018, Republicans win anywhere from 53-57 seats. And thats assuming it was 50-50 going in.
Anzeigenhauptmeister:
Quote from: Progressive Pessimist on September 27, 2022, 05:09:23 PM
Hot take: due to the butterfly effect, there wouldn't have been a pandemic under her.
One should know that the flap of a butterfly’s wings in America can set off a tornado in China that will kill all bats.
DPKdebator:
The Republican establishment likely would've ensured that Trump didn't receive the nomination again. Trump would've had a harder time keeping his base enthusiasm alive for four years if he wasn't actually president.
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