The exodus of the blue avatars

[OSR stands with Israel]

For the liberals who defend Bush and say Trump was more dangerous to democracy.. do not forget this:

Bush STOLE Florida in 2000 and got away with it.

Bush STOLE Ohio in 2004 and got away with it.

Trump won and lost the states he won and lost fair and square

There is absolutely no valid reason to say Ohio in 2004 was stolen and in fact saying so is more crazy than saying 2016 or 2020 were rigged.

I found it so funny when Trump said on TV on January 6th that it was a stolen election.

Gore and Kerry didn't go on TV cheering insurrections and saying it was a stolen election. Especially when the election was clearly STOLEN from Gore and probably stolen from Kerry.

I've always wondered this. Even in 2016, technically, Democrats had a MUCH better reason to riot and attempt to overturn the election. In other countries if the candidate who got millions of votes less was inaugurated there /WOULD/ be significant civil unrest. But besides obviously a lot of, justified IMO, 'resistance' mantra's among the Left we did accept it for the sake of peace and our system.

Hillary did not win the PV in 2016 as if we had a PV system there would have been a runoff in 2016. To win the PV you need a majority which she did not have

[OSR stands with Israel]

For the liberals who defend Bush and say Trump was more dangerous to democracy.. do not forget this:

Bush STOLE Florida in 2000 and got away with it.

Bush STOLE Ohio in 2004 and got away with it.

Trump won and lost the states he won and lost fair and square

There is absolutely no valid reason to say Ohio in 2004 was stolen and in fact saying so is more crazy than saying 2016 or 2020 were rigged.

I found it so funny when Trump said on TV on January 6th that it was a stolen election.

Gore and Kerry didn't go on TV cheering insurrections and saying it was a stolen election. Especially when the election was clearly STOLEN from Gore and probably stolen from Kerry.

I've always wondered this. Even in 2016, technically, Democrats had a MUCH better reason to riot and attempt to overturn the election. In other countries if the candidate who got millions of votes less was inaugurated there /WOULD/ be significant civil unrest. But besides obviously a lot of, justified IMO, 'resistance' mantra's among the Left we did accept it for the sake of peace and our system.

Hillary did not win the PV in 2016 as if we had a PV system there would have been a runoff in 2016. To win the PV you need a majority which she did not have

Your argument relies on a hypothetical realty, mine is the actual popular vote that occurred, but I digress.

Yours also is based on a hypothetical reality cause if we had a PV system , campaign strategies would be very different as well. Campaigns are run to win 270 EV so they focus on the states that would most help there while if there was a PV system the candidates would focus on the states that would most help win that.

I was just saying that in a PV system you need to win a majority of the PV to win and Hillary did not get that either.

[OSR stands with Israel]

For the liberals who defend Bush and say Trump was more dangerous to democracy.. do not forget this:

Bush STOLE Florida in 2000 and got away with it.

Bush STOLE Ohio in 2004 and got away with it.

Trump won and lost the states he won and lost fair and square

There is absolutely no valid reason to say Ohio in 2004 was stolen and in fact saying so is more crazy than saying 2016 or 2020 were rigged.

I found it so funny when Trump said on TV on January 6th that it was a stolen election.

Gore and Kerry didn't go on TV cheering insurrections and saying it was a stolen election. Especially when the election was clearly STOLEN from Gore and probably stolen from Kerry.

I've always wondered this. Even in 2016, technically, Democrats had a MUCH better reason to riot and attempt to overturn the election. In other countries if the candidate who got millions of votes less was inaugurated there /WOULD/ be significant civil unrest. But besides obviously a lot of, justified IMO, 'resistance' mantra's among the Left we did accept it for the sake of peace and our system.

Hillary did not win the PV in 2016 as if we had a PV system there would have been a runoff in 2016. To win the PV you need a majority which she did not have

Your argument relies on a hypothetical realty, mine is the actual popular vote that occurred, but I digress.

Yours also is based on a hypothetical reality cause if we had a PV system , campaign strategies would be very different as well. Campaigns are run to win 270 EV so they focus on the states that would most help there while if there was a PV system the candidates would focus on the states that would most help win that.

I was just saying that in a PV system you need to win a majority of the PV to win and Hillary did not get that either.

That isn't true at all, plenty of popular vote systems allow the winner of the plurality vote to win overall. Although if you're arguing for a more equitable system that also transfers votes then by all means OSR, I'm with you.

And my argument isn't a hypothetical, the absolute fact is that Hillary Clinton won nearly 3 million more votes than Donald Trump under our current system. That's hardly an insignificant margin and not even close to a hanging chad or Florida 2000 margin.

I would argue that our current system actually supresses the vote in urban areas and big states that are already solid Democrat so they don't bother to vote. But we could go in circles all day arguing about how turnout might be effected by changing the electoral system... The fact is, that under the only system we can verify turnout for as a fact, Hillary won by a significant margin on a person per person basis.

No that is not how things work as you cant just use a number that has zero actual meaning and assume that is what the number would be if it did have meaning. If the rules of the game would change so would the campaign and nobody knowns what the actual PV ends up like in that campaign.

What we have right now as the PV is the hypothetical while the EV tally is reality 

[OSR stands with Israel]

Practically ever internet site that deals with politics become a “liberal echo chambers” because everyone here has access to a variety of sources to cite so it becomes impossible to argue things that are stable of American conservatism ideology when you in seconds are pull up various studies and articles that show global warming is real, 2020 wasn’t rigged nor was the voting results abnormal in any way, racial profiling by our police does happen, and trickle down economics don’t really work. And lastly for those you blame the mods for being bias I’d like to point out that Reaganfan posted openly white nationalist talking points for years before the mods decided he got enough strikes to be out and that several of them are gay yet DeadPrez has been allowed to call gay people “groomers” without getting kicked off

You can’t really compare how the ban system worked under Muon as under Muon , yah it was rare for anyone to get banned unless they were a sock or spammer