Opinion of Karl Marx

[LAKISYLVANIA]

everyone hated gays in the 20th century.

Marx even never lived in the 20th one.

Do i need to start about all those pre-lincoln presidents who were in favour of slavery, had slaves themselves or were ambivalent on the issue?

During Marx his time, nobody was pro-lgbtq. It wasn't even an issue. Issues were woman having voting rights, universal voting rights, child labour, shortening the labour day from 14 hours to perhaps 8, and most of these were also done after marx died.

Marx died in 1883. he never saw a commie state, only the short lived commune of Paris which was a FF state.

Even today, most people live in countries where lgbtq rights aren't guaranteed and where lgbtq marriage is outlawed. Even countries like Italy are still backwards on this. Germany only has it since last year. in the us it is threatened again because of the supreme court. Even Israël hasn't have lgbtq marriage.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

The fact that this is even close is scary. Marx was terrible. Anybody so arrogant he claims his theory is the ONLY possible way human history will progress is WAY too high on his own supply.

Every social democrat in Europe approves of Karl Marx. Even social democrats celebrated 200 years old birthday of Marx.

There is nothing left wing about you.

You cannot be a social democrat and disapprove of Marx because in that case you would not be a social democrat. You would also disapprove the entire history of social democracy.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Every social democrat in Europe approves of Karl Marx. Even social democrats celebrated 200 years old birthday of Marx.

There is nothing left wing about you.

You cannot be a social democrat and disapprove of Marx because in that case you would not be a social democrat. You would also disapprove the entire history of social democracy.

What? Social democracy =/= Communism.

Karl Marx is an HP.

Marx was not a communist

He never even saw the dawn of communism.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Marx was not a communist

Communism literally didn't exist when Marx lived.

Even labour parties didn't.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Marx was not a communist

Communism literally didn't exist when Marx lived.

Even labour parties didn't.

My friend, what is the name of the Manifesto?

It was never put into practice and Marx barely had any followers.

Labour parties also followed the manifesto early on. So social democracy is also built around the ideas of Marx. People here or especially in the US think Marx legacy is just marxism-leninism which is a myth. Every social democrat party their legacy is basically built on Marx but adapted to a modern world.

Lots of things and concepts we see as natural, are implemented, quite a lot even supported by modern conservatives. Unless conservative parties are suddenly in favour of (forced) child labour or against females having voting rights.

If i put a "lakigigarian manifesto" and someone 40 yrs later put it into practice, would it be still "lakigigarian". Probably not. It would be their "ideology" since they would put it into practice, and it would never be implemented the way i intended.

We don't know how Marx would've approved marxism-leninism, stalinism or communism because he was never alive to observe the effects of such a revolution. I'd especially be curious to bring him back, educate him on USSR and so on, and see what he would think about the "experiment" with all hindsight we have today.

He probably would still believe in something left wing today just like I would today, but I bet he would see the USSR as failed.

The only revolution he saw was the Paris commune. I'd support such a revolution back than and I'd still support it with hindsight, and the French state committed a lot of crimes destroying the Paris commune, killing tens of thousands of communards, including liberals, jacobins and republicans in the process.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Overall HP.

I don't think he was generally evil or so, indeed identified problems with excessive capitalism, but his proposed "cures" were questionable all too often.

The big flaw with Marx was that he was good at identifying problems and extremely short on developing detailed 'cures' to those problems. His later acolytes stepped into the breach with... um... mixed results, but those by and large can't be laid at the feet of Marx the man.

He identified a good system (capitalism) and decided that it was a problem.

Oh let's go back to slavery, child labour and 14 hour long work days because half of US conservatives jerk themselves off on that thought...

WERE TALKING ABOUT 19TH CENTURY DUDE.

Really if i had one wish i could make true now, it would be to send you back to Europe anno 1850-1860 as an average working class person employed in some factory. Really curious to know how you would feel after a month.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Overall HP.

I don't think he was generally evil or so, indeed identified problems with excessive capitalism, but his proposed "cures" were questionable all too often.

The big flaw with Marx was that he was good at identifying problems and extremely short on developing detailed 'cures' to those problems. His later acolytes stepped into the breach with... um... mixed results, but those by and large can't be laid at the feet of Marx the man.

He identified a good system (capitalism) and decided that it was a problem.

Oh let's go back to slavery, child labour and 14 hour long work days because half of US conservatives jerk themselves off on that thought...

WERE TALKING ABOUT 19TH CENTURY DUDE.

Really if i had one wish i could make true now, it would be to send you back to Europe anno 1850-1860 as an average working class person employed in some factory. Really curious to know how you would feel after a month.

Obviously worse before all of the economic growth enabled by those factories. Do you want people 170 years from now to live better than we do by a similar magnitude, though?

No but Karl Marx isn't identifying problems of todays society, he was identifying problems within 19th century capitalism and imperialism.

I think we can all agree those were bad times and that something needed to change. The modern social democrat party compared to than would be framed as a communist revolution too. Even modern conservatives would be labor champions by those standards... because at least some support the status quo.

Politicians today who would overthrow a regime back than and implement the modern 21st century system (even neoliberalism) would be decapitated...

The Commune governed Paris for two months, establishing policies that tended toward a progressive, anti-religious system of social democracy, including the separation of church and state, self-policing, the remission of rent, the abolition of child labor, and the right of employees to take over an enterprise deserted by its owner. The Roman Catholic Churches and schools were closed. Feminist, socialist, communist and anarchist currents played important roles in the Commune. However, the various Communards had little more than two months to achieve their respective goals.

The national French Army suppressed the Commune at the end of May during La semaine sanglante ("The Bloody Week") beginning on 21 May 1871. The national forces killed in battle or quickly executed between 10,000 and 15,000 Communards, though one unconfirmed estimate from 1876 put the toll as high as 20,000.

Lots of policies we see as natural and established today, were policies Marx supported. Why do you think far-right frame our system as "cultural marxism". To some extent, a lot about this society is what Marx desired, not all, but a lot.