UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[afleitch]

Meanwhile there are scores of Conservative MPs who are about as religious as Lenin's corpse who nevertheless always chose to be sworn in (and usually on the KJV) because it's what's done, old chap. Which is related to the main reason why Truss's Reading at the Queen's funeral was as amusingly poor as it was: she's not religious (even if she now, frankly pointlessly, claims to be vaguely Anglican. Who buys this? And why even bother?), did not have a religious background growing up and was not exposed to religion much at school and so, unsurprisingly, was entirely and obviously unfamiliar with both the verse she had to read and how you're supposed to read from the Bible. Mind you, most people in that position would have rehearsed like mad and made sure to check how you're supposed to do it, but she's arrogant even for a politician.

She's really terrible isn't she. I love it.

[afleitch]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394

'The latest census figures show that for the first time there are more people from a Catholic background in Northern Ireland than Protestant.

The proportion of the resident population which is either Catholic or brought up Catholic is 45.7% compared to 43.48% Protestant.'

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[Property Representative of the Harold Holt Swimming Centre]

Meanwhile there are scores of Conservative MPs who are about as religious as Lenin's corpse who nevertheless always chose to be sworn in (and usually on the KJV) because it's what's done, old chap. Which is related to the main reason why Truss's Reading at the Queen's funeral was as amusingly poor as it was: she's not religious (even if she now, frankly pointlessly, claims to be vaguely Anglican. Who buys this? And why even bother?), did not have a religious background growing up and was not exposed to religion much at school and so, unsurprisingly, was entirely and obviously unfamiliar with both the verse she had to read and how you're supposed to read from the Bible. Mind you, most people in that position would have rehearsed like mad and made sure to check how you're supposed to do it, but she's arrogant even for a politician.

Here's a little experiment for everyone: Ask the voice assistant on the electronic device you're using to read out a verse from the Bible and compare it to Truss's reading. The voice assistant will sound more human and convincing. 

[afleitch]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobinFlavell/status/1568321608300855297

It's this. This floored me. And it works.

(Though you need to know the reference of course)

[afleitch]

Also, no Truss 'bounce' in the polls, or nothing outside MoE. It could be argued 'events' still linger in the public consciousness but still.

Large Labour poll leads going into the winter have the potential to become something more permanent. The possibility of a Labour government becoming 'inevitable' because the current government is simply done isn't something anyone wants to commit to just yet. The idea that they could even win 'big' because of the 2019 switchers weak attachment to the Tories and an elastic electorate, is less entertained.

[Ethelberth]

Does somebody have a map on the basis of swearing in method?

[CumbrianLefty]

JRM suggesting in the Commons that opponents of fracking (who included, just in this session, quite a few backbenchers in his own party) are in the pay of the Kremlin.

Yes, this is going superbly.

[If my soul was made of stone]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394

'The latest census figures show that for the first time there are more people from a Catholic background in Northern Ireland than Protestant.

The proportion of the resident population which is either Catholic or brought up Catholic is 45.7% compared to 43.48% Protestant.'

itshappening.gif

[Blair]

Government getting really hammered over fracking by Conservative MPs in Parliament.

The first intervention from Mark Menzies was extremely hostile especially for a new Government.

What an absolutely barmy idea but this is what happens if you let you let the IEA run the Government.

Now being reported they might use some way of completely by-passing any local opposition- lol.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

JRM suggesting in the Commons that opponents of fracking (who included, just in this session, quite a few backbenchers in his own party) are in the pay of the Kremlin.

Yes, this is going superbly.

I still can't quite believe that a) he was given a proper Cabinet post again and b) it happens to be one that is going to be rather high profile and important given the present situation.

[afleitch]

JRM suggesting in the Commons that opponents of fracking (who included, just in this session, quite a few backbenchers in his own party) are in the pay of the Kremlin.

Yes, this is going superbly.

I still can't quite believe that a) he was given a proper Cabinet post again and b) it happens to be one that is going to be rather high profile and important given the present situation.

And his seat isn't exactly safe either, especially if this is THE ISSUE that resonates with voters. Especially with the proposed boundaries.

And he's not really 'parachute' material.

[Property Representative of the Harold Holt Swimming Centre]

If there's a mood in the Tory Party after a defeat at the next election that's akin to that in 2001 (or indeed in Labour in 2015) then he could become leader. If he does keep his seat.

[Lief 🗽]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394

'The latest census figures show that for the first time there are more people from a Catholic background in Northern Ireland than Protestant.

The proportion of the resident population which is either Catholic or brought up Catholic is 45.7% compared to 43.48% Protestant.'

itshappening.gif

Another Biden win.

[If my soul was made of stone]

If there's a mood in the Tory Party after a defeat at the next election that's akin to that in 2001 (or indeed in Labour in 2015) then he could become leader. If he does keep his seat.

Broke: JRM for Tory leader
Woke: Georg EBNER for Tory leader

[Joseph Cao]

MP-specific anecdotes:

• Chris Bryant was cracking very niche jokes about the specific biblical translations available, which seems on brand.
• Tim Farron, also very on brand, takes the non-religious affirmation, quoting Matthew 5:37 ("let your yes be yes, and your no be no...") as his explanation.
• Jim Shannon (DUP) snuck in some Ulster Scots, the only MP to do so
• Naz Shah continued her personal tradition of wearing hijab to the swearing in (she doesn't in day-to-day life), reasoning that taking the oath is an act of prayer, and she would always wear a headscarf for that. Which is an interesting theological point I hadn't considered.

Ooh, any video available? BBC iPlayer won't work for me.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

We should put the Northern Ireland religious issues aside and just resolve it for the sake of eliminating border gore.

[YL]

Government getting really hammered over fracking by Conservative MPs in Parliament.

The first intervention from Mark Menzies was extremely hostile especially for a new Government.

What an absolutely barmy idea but this is what happens if you let you let the IEA run the Government.

Now being reported they might use some way of completely by-passing any local opposition- lol.

Menzies on local TV tonight telling Rees-Mogg to frack in his own constituency:
https://twitter.com/RogerJ_01/status/1572985697224605700

[EastAnglianLefty]

We should put the Northern Ireland religious issues aside and just resolve it for the sake of eliminating border gore.

How? The issue is that the religious and cultural issues prevent any resolution that's satisfying to a large enough proportion of the population to work.

[Хahar 🤔]

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

We should put the Northern Ireland religious issues aside and just resolve it for the sake of eliminating border gore.

How? The issue is that the religious and cultural issues prevent any resolution that's satisfying to a large enough proportion of the population to work.

/s

[If my soul was made of stone]

shandyandlyrikz

[sting in the rafters]

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1573018690638987267?s=21&t=sZXljWcP7a...

[Antonio the Sixth]

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1573018690638987267?s=21&t=sZXljWcP7a...

Good idea, but that would first require creating regional governments with meaningful powers in England.

[Torrain]

MP-specific anecdotes:

• Chris Bryant was cracking very niche jokes about the specific biblical translations available, which seems on brand.
• Tim Farron, also very on brand, takes the non-religious affirmation, quoting Matthew 5:37 ("let your yes be yes, and your no be no...") as his explanation.
• Jim Shannon (DUP) snuck in some Ulster Scots, the only MP to do so
• Naz Shah continued her personal tradition of wearing hijab to the swearing in (she doesn't in day-to-day life), reasoning that taking the oath is an act of prayer, and she would always wear a headscarf for that. Which is an interesting theological point I hadn't considered.

Ooh, any video available? BBC iPlayer won't work for me.

It should be archived here:
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/63823429-3bd9-451d-ba01-0edab6a28887

If that’s also region-locked to the UK, then I’m not sure where to go. It might end up on the UK Parliament YouTube channel in a week or two.

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1573018690638987267?s=21&t=sZXljWcP7a0Bh7yJIpkFzw

Good idea, but that would first require creating regional governments with meaningful powers in England.

They’ve got a skeleton to build on with the mayoral system, but a more federal approach, with parliaments in Yorkshire, Cornwall etc would be far better, and in line with the second chamber suggested in the report.