UK General Discussion: Rishecession
Frodo:
Quote from: GM Team Member NewYorkExpress on December 05, 2022, 07:31:28 PM
Labour is pledging to abolish the House of Lords.
If the House of Lords is actually abolished, what happens to all this ceremony and pageantry?
Will King Charles open Parliament at the House of Commons instead? And if so, will the throne chairs at the back of the room of the House of Lords be moved over? Or are they going to do away with all that altogether?
Joe Republic:
Quote from: Frodo on December 07, 2022, 07:14:34 PM
Will King Charles open Parliament at the House of Commons instead?
The last time a king named Charles entered the House of Commons, things went a bit awry afterward.
EastAnglianLefty:
Quote from: Silent Hunter on December 07, 2022, 05:55:45 PM
Two in one day? For misconduct? When was the last time that happened?
They're not necessarily comparable - Labour's new policy is to suspend the whip when any complaint is made; the Conservative policy is only to suspend when their hand is forced (see also the several serious allegations floating around for people who are still in receipt of the whip.)
Torrain:
Quote from: Frodo on December 07, 2022, 07:14:34 PM
Will King Charles open Parliament at the House of Commons instead? And if so, will the throne chairs at the back of the room of the House of Lords be moved over? Or are they going to do away with all that altogether?
As mentioned elsewhere, the King just doesn’t enter the Commons - and none have since the English Civil War (it’s become a whole convention in its own right). Besides, there’s no space for the throne apparatus in the Commons, (not to mention it’s all bolted to the ground).
My guess is that in the event of Lords abolition, the Lords Chamber would still host the Kings Speech, with the Commons and the members of the new Upper House all in attendance. I’ve been in that room, and the whole thing is built around the throne, and seems tailor-made to host the monarch. You could rework things and hold the speech in Westminster Hall, away from all the gilding if you really wanted to be radical, but I doubt the powers-that-be would be all that happy about such a suggestion.
There’s a chance some noteworthy peers could still be invited, especially under Conservative governments (because old habits die hard) - given no government has the time/energy to abolish the peerage system entirely.
TLDR; short of an actual, bloody revolution - pageantry never dies, it just evolves
CumbrianLefty:
Quote from: EastAnglianLefty on December 08, 2022, 05:57:59 AM
Quote from: Silent Hunter on December 07, 2022, 05:55:45 PM
Two in one day? For misconduct? When was the last time that happened?
They're not necessarily comparable - Labour's new policy is to suspend the whip when any complaint is made; the Conservative policy is only to suspend when their hand is forced (see also the several serious allegations floating around for people who are still in receipt of the whip.)
And of course there are arguments that Labour's approach is too heavy handed (coupled, inevitably, with suspicion that factionalism is sometimes just below the surface) and the way too many of these cases seem to drag on interminably (the most infamous case maybe being Kelvin Hopkins in the last parliament - though that shows that this, as much else, didn't actually start with Starmer) really does not help matters. Having said that, it must be said that not *all* the names of suspended Labour MPs are a total surprise, shall we say - and lets just leave it at that in a public forum ;)
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