Biden Primetime Address 9/1

[ProudModerate2]

I would argue that Biden was being very fair and deferential in this speech, perhaps overly fair, by continuing to make his distinction between "MAGA" and "mainstream" Republicans, as if there are almost an equal amount of both.

And it's not like he wasn't backing up his assertions about the MAGA faction being a danger to the republic and to certain rights many Americans take for granted. Everything he mentioned from the threats to the FBI to the insurrection were obvious horrors that Americans can and have perceived with their own senses. He isn't making s*** up as the famously unifying Trump and his toadies like Dr. Oz are doing. "John Fetterman is letting convicted felons out of prison!"

Please, give me a f***ing break with the outrage over this speech. It was said earlier, and by a few people, that if you're offended at Biden very frankly diagnosing the problems in our current political culture then you're part of those problems.

I think texasgurl said it best about 4 pages back ...

If you're pissed about Biden's speech, he was talking about you.

[Inmate Trump]

Back on subject...

https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/status/1565830087911432192

Republicans?

What so you?

[wbrocks67]

I'm also pretty sure no one in the media called for Trump to ever apologize to Democrats for the many times he called them fascists, traitors, treasonous, terrible people, etc.

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The issue, isn't just MAGA the issue is as long as Trump is a free man he can interfere in Elections that's why he instigated Voter suppression laws, he is free to campaign for Rs as long as he wants, why because we have a Republican FBI Director that Trump appointed not just a D AG

As long as Trump is a free man he will fundraise, that's been the whole issue thru this campaign, Trump not being INDICTED

[citizenZ]

https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1565738293769244673
Welp. I guess Trump supporters aren't enemies after all??

Very confusing lingo coming from the White House this week. I don't think this was a smart play.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1565738293769244673
Welp. I guess Trump supporters aren't enemies after all??

Very confusing lingo coming from the White House this week. I don't think this was a smart play.

>Reasonable arguement
>Washington Free Beacon

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Back on subject...

https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/status/1565830087911432192

Of course it didn't. The media wants Trump re-elected because a Trump presidency lines their pockets.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Republicans would be well advised not to take the bait this speech is.
From a strategic POV I would suggest Rs just ignore this speech. Becoming very angry in response to this speech validates Biden's framing and makes you look bad.
This is Biden's chosen ground. Most Americans don't think of President Biden as malevolent. Acting like he is, puts space between you and the swing voter you need to win the House and the Senate back.
But it's hard for Republicans to avoid getting mad here - I can understand the feeling - and deftly, this kind of outrage is the sort that the media loves to cover.
The media loves to divide us into little segments and get us to dislike each other. Biden figures the media will do this either way. So he's getting them some fish food.
Deft if you ask me...

[T'Chenka]

Republicans would be well advised not to take the bait this speech is.
From a strategic POV I would suggest Rs just ignore this speech. Becoming very angry in response to this speech validates Biden's framing and makes you look bad.
This is Biden's chosen ground. Most Americans don't think of President Biden as malevolent. Acting like he is, puts space between you and the swing voter you need to win the House and the Senate back.
But it's hard for Republicans to avoid getting mad here - I can understand the feeling - and deftly, this kind of outrage is the sort that the media loves to cover.
The media loves to divide us into little segments and get us to dislike each other. Biden figures the media will do this either way. So he's getting them some fish food.
Deft if you ask me...

Maybe Biden's trying to save democracy and the political implications for swing voters are somewhat important but secondary?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Republicans would be well advised not to take the bait this speech is.
From a strategic POV I would suggest Rs just ignore this speech. Becoming very angry in response to this speech validates Biden's framing and makes you look bad.
This is Biden's chosen ground. Most Americans don't think of President Biden as malevolent. Acting like he is, puts space between you and the swing voter you need to win the House and the Senate back.
But it's hard for Republicans to avoid getting mad here - I can understand the feeling - and deftly, this kind of outrage is the sort that the media loves to cover.
The media loves to divide us into little segments and get us to dislike each other. Biden figures the media will do this either way. So he's getting them some fish food.
Deft if you ask me...

Maybe Biden's trying to save democracy and the political implications for swing voters are somewhat important but secondary?

I was (mostly) saying what considerations came into play if I was a Republican strategist trying to minimize losses (or even generate gains) from this from a pure win-lose perspective. (I, as those who know me, happen to be a Biden supporter whose actual personal preferences lie elsewhere)

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Big Lie supporters have zero credibility and should not be taken seriously by anyone.

The people who promote these falsehoods knowingly should be beaten, tarred, and feathered if anything.

If you support the people who promote these falsehoods knowingly, you are complicit.

End of.

[Inmate Trump]

They just had the fascist Hungarian dictator speak at their conference, but are mad at being called fascists.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Honestly asking....

What specifically did Biden say that was so outrageous?

What's wrong with a president declaring that insurrections are bad?
What's wrong with a president saying political violence is wrong?
What's wrong with a president saying democracy is good?

1. What happened January 6th is done. It's finished. Bringing it up is now only political theater, and even then, it's arguable whether it was even an "insurrection". A riot at the Capitol is treated like an attack, but tearing down statues or killing people in the streets during race riots is treating with a soft soap. It's selective, and therefore, theater.

2. Donald Trump also tried to say political violence was bad on both sides, and Democrats used that for more divisiveness because they want to pick and choose which sides are allowed to be violent instead of condemning both. They're being selective.

3. The democracy argument doesn't hold weight if it's selective. If you say Trump not conceding is a threat to democracy but Stacey Abrams not conceding isn't, then it's not real outrage, it's selective outrage which then becomes...political theater.

Most of this forum is selective outage, virtue signaling and political theater.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

This is clearly the average poster on this forum:

Not an argument.

[Aurelius]

If you're pissed about Biden's speech, he was talking about you.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrap

[Inmate Trump]

They tried to violently overthrow the US government, but are mad about being called a threat.

[Del Tachi]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

[It’s so Joever]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

[Del Tachi]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

[It’s so Joever]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

Many Republicans in congress voted for lawsuits against the results of the election. Would you have done the same?

[wbrocks67]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

This is quite literally a lie. Nearly 150 congress people in the GOP voted to overturn the election. So no, that's "not" where most Republicans in congress are.

[Del Tachi]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

Many Republicans in congress voted for lawsuits against the results of the election. Would you have done the same?

I would not have filed an amicus in support of Texas vs. Pennsylvania, if that's what you're alluding to

[GeorgiaModerate]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

From some of our previous discussions, I'd say you're more of an insurrection denier.

[Inmate Trump]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

Many Republicans in congress voted for lawsuits against the results of the election. Would you have done the same?

I would not have filed an amicus in support of Texas vs. Pennsylvania, if that's what you're alluding to

You’re not an insurrectionist or election denier but you support insurrectionists and election deniers. And that’s just as bad.

[GeorgiaModerate]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

Many Republicans in congress voted for lawsuits against the results of the election. Would you have done the same?

I would not have filed an amicus in support of Texas vs. Pennsylvania, if that's what you're alluding to

If you were in Congress, would you have voted to certify all the electoral votes that Biden won?

[Del Tachi]

And that was the entire party! Biden was literally just talking about election deniers and insurrectionists.

Am I an election denier and/or insurrectionist? 

Are you?

Some posters here say I am because I don't fall for politically-motivated histrionics about the end of American democracy.  I've condemned the Capitol riot and never denied Biden won the 2020 election (which is exactly where most Republicans in Congress are too.) 

Many Republicans in congress voted for lawsuits against the results of the election. Would you have done the same?

I would not have filed an amicus in support of Texas vs. Pennsylvania, if that's what you're alluding to

You’re not an insurrectionist or election denier but you support insurrectionists and election deniers. And that’s just as bad.

"Support" is doing a lot of work here.  Like I said, avoiding motivated histrionics isn't unqualified support.