Why didn’t the candidates talk about immigration, trade, or guns more?
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darklordoftech
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« on: August 28, 2022, 09:27:01 PM »

Why didn’t Biden run against “kids in cages”? Why didn’t Trump run against “Mexico sending their rapists”? Why didn’t Trump attack Biden for voting for NAFTA and the WTO or for writing gun laws?
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 11:30:25 PM »

In terms of Biden, I suspect that the kids in cages issue seemed far less pressing than the Covid pandemic and Trump's response to it.

In terms of Trump, it seems that he got so caught up in the culture wars that he essentially forgot how he really won against Hillary (i.e. by attacking her on the issue of free trade - if he had focused on Biden's support of free trade, he might have won the same way he did against Hillary).
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2022, 05:55:30 PM »

Biden did talk about immigration but he did so skill fully. I remember seeing commercials about "kids in cages". BUT Biden knew illegal immigration is very unpopular. Democrats do not win when defending illegal immigration (even with second or third generation Americans).

In the 2019 debate the moderators asked about decriminlzing border crossings, I rolled my eyes. You would have thought Trump asked that questions as a "gotcha" moment

Same with guns. Guns haven't been a winning issue for Democrats (historically) so Biden avoided it.

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2022, 06:01:02 PM »

Same with guns. Guns haven't been a winning issue for Democrats (historically) so Biden avoided it.
I was asking why Trump didn’t talk about guns, not why Biden didn’t talk about guns.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2022, 08:46:05 PM »

Same with guns. Guns haven't been a winning issue for Democrats (historically) so Biden avoided it.
I was asking why Trump didn’t talk about guns, not why Biden didn’t talk about guns.
Talking about guns only works for Republicans when Democrats talk about guns

Democrat: Hell yeah we want to take your guns
Republican: We support 2nd amendment

Winner: Republican

Republican: Democrats want to take your guns
Democrats: No we don't. Thats just NRA talking points.

Winner: Democrats

See? Neither party benefits by bringing up the issue. Hence it not being an issue in 2020.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2022, 10:42:01 PM »

People didn't have time for a culture war when Covid was crashing the economy, ruining their daily lives and putting their loved ones at risk.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2022, 05:56:04 PM »

Trumps campaign was a stupidly run disaster that forgot most of what got him elected in 2020.

Yes, he should have hammered Biden on NAFTA/WTO.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2022, 06:38:12 AM »

Trumps campaign was a stupidly run disaster that forgot most of what got him elected in 2020.

Yes, he should have hammered Biden on NAFTA/WTO.

It was painfully obvious that the Trump team expected Bernie to be the nominee, and they never really pivoted away from cringey canned lines about SOCIALISM. Outside of South Florida it didn't really win him any more votes, and as you said there were far better things to hit Biden on.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2022, 10:56:59 PM »

Trumps campaign was a stupidly run disaster that forgot most of what got him elected in 2020.

Yes, he should have hammered Biden on NAFTA/WTO.

It was painfully obvious that the Trump team expected Bernie to be the nominee, and they never really pivoted away from cringey canned lines about SOCIALISM. Outside of South Florida it didn't really win him any more votes, and as you said there were far better things to hit Biden on.

They would've thrown this line out if Bloomberg won. SOCIALISM is just the default against any Democrat.

But really, COVID was the main issue at play and Trump botched it! Those other things just didn't really matter much.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2022, 09:51:26 AM »

Trumps campaign was a stupidly run disaster that forgot most of what got him elected in 2020.

Yes, he should have hammered Biden on NAFTA/WTO.

It was painfully obvious that the Trump team expected Bernie to be the nominee, and they never really pivoted away from cringey canned lines about SOCIALISM. Outside of South Florida it didn't really win him any more votes, and as you said there were far better things to hit Biden on.

They would've thrown this line out if Bloomberg won. SOCIALISM is just the default against any Democrat.

But really, COVID was the main issue at play and Trump botched it! Those other things just didn't really matter much.

Yeah, COVID sucked all of the air out of the room on every other issue.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2022, 10:33:37 PM »

If COVID never happened, they would be major issues in the election
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2022, 06:44:31 PM »

Biden did talk about immigration but he did so skill fully. I remember seeing commercials about "kids in cages". BUT Biden knew illegal immigration is very unpopular. Democrats do not win when defending illegal immigration (even with second or third generation Americans).

In the 2019 debate the moderators asked about decriminlzing border crossings, I rolled my eyes. You would have thought Trump asked that questions as a "gotcha" moment

Same with guns. Guns haven't been a winning issue for Democrats (historically) so Biden avoided it.


It's important what particular advocacy you're making. Immigration and criminal justice reform are hard to campaign on because large parts of these groups are disenfranchised. It's really something that's much better to talk about case by case and locally, because otherwise you risk painting people with very broad brushes and just sounding kinda woke and ignorant.

You can't run the same campaign for every person, because different people have different perspectives and opinions, and someone who just parrots a message is annoying. Immigration is probably a better issue for local organizing, like how dozens of counties have gotten rid of ICE contracts, because even if you dislike immigration and you think there's too many people, you see how unfair it is to be pulled over for a simple traffic violation and probably lose your job being held in jail.

People have opinions that are probably contradictory, like many people want both healthcare and free college, and to lower government spending. Who among us is without contradictions?
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2022, 04:21:39 AM »

Why didn’t Biden run against “kids in cages”? Why didn’t Trump run against “Mexico sending their rapists”? Why didn’t Trump attack Biden for voting for NAFTA and the WTO or for writing gun laws?

Hot take : because no one thought those were important in 2020, it was COVID, Trump I guess. 
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