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« on: August 25, 2022, 07:13:27 AM »

While I don’t disagree , I will point out Reagan was the most libertarian president we have had economically since the 1920s. He pretty much replaced the old economic consensus with a far more libertarian friendly consensus called “neoliberalism”





Good thing Ronnie did it on a fiscally responsible budget!




This isn't a free market. It's crony capitalism.

Republicans constantly yammer on about how to prevent young people from falling to socialism while all they do in office is cut taxes for rich people, increase the deficit and debt, and then leave.

Meanwhile, Libertarians actually provide real solutions to problems.

The Republican solution to the housing crisis is to scream and whine and give boomers tax breaks to buy their fifth investment property (negative gearing). Compared to that, young people like socialist rent control.

Libertarians, on the other hand, provide reasonable solutions like... building more housing.

Republicans always manage to gut regulation for the financial sector but they never get around to zoning reform
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2022, 05:34:53 PM »

While I don’t disagree , I will point out Reagan was the most libertarian president we have had economically since the 1920s. He pretty much replaced the old economic consensus with a far more libertarian friendly consensus called “neoliberalism”





Good thing Ronnie did it on a fiscally responsible budget!




This isn't a free market. It's crony capitalism.

Republicans constantly yammer on about how to prevent young people from falling to socialism while all they do in office is cut taxes for rich people, increase the deficit and debt, and then leave.

Meanwhile, Libertarians actually provide real solutions to problems.

The Republican solution to the housing crisis is to scream and whine and give boomers tax breaks to buy their fifth investment property (negative gearing). Compared to that, young people like socialist rent control.

Libertarians, on the other hand, provide reasonable solutions like... building more housing.

Republicans always manage to gut regulation for the financial sector but they never get around to zoning reform

I’d just point out real median income has gone up a lot and that imo is more important than income inequality



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States


As for life expectancy, keep in mind fast food got a lot cheaper here compared to the rest of the world as well . As for the debt , keep in mind that foreign policy plays a huge factor in that and I am not saying Reagan was libertarian at all when it came to that regard cause he absolutely was not .


On housing Red States do have far more lenient zoning laws than blue states which is why they are cheaper as well .
 

Sure, but more debt means more interest which means a higher budget. At some point that has to be paid for so then people have to pay more taxes.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2022, 06:33:26 PM »

I don't think this thread is relevant. I don't see the GOP really caring for the Libertarian Party the way they did a decade ago or even 5-6 years ago. Most libertarians, if they vote, are in the GOP at this point for a variety of reasons. I would also argue the current LP is barely libertarian outside the Mises Caucus which really does nothing besides edgelording on twitter and ranting about the GOP-Trump era not being as good as it is.


As for your specific points.
1. Trump is the least War on Terror president we've had and arguably the best foreign policy president since Eisenhower.

2. Mises Caucus exists so this isn't true. The LP has no unity on cultural issues and if we are being honest, the people in power are closer to pat buchanan culturally than an idiot like gary johnson.

3. The LP really can't make up its mind on this. Either be a purist and advocate for it outright or make some concessions. If you do the latter, I don't see a reason to hate the GOP. Local republicans are doing a lot on drug policy and there's better infrastructure in the GOP to actually get things done. I also don't get why the LP makes drug legalization a big issue. Yes, i know the wod is bad, but a lot of the LP's concerns are more about being degenerates and less about getting people out of prison. That's an issue.

1. We live in an era right now where it's obvious Dem are a much bigger threat to liberty than the GOP. COVID lockdowns proved this. It's not comparable. You can see the difference in freedom by comparing California to Florida.


Dem politicians are a bunch of moronic losers who are constantly fighting and feuding with each other.

The GOP, on the other hand, has an active plan and actions to back it up with regards to banning abortion and curtailing gay rights, which are things that Libertarians mostly support.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2022, 11:54:34 PM »

I don't think this thread is relevant. I don't see the GOP really caring for the Libertarian Party the way they did a decade ago or even 5-6 years ago. Most libertarians, if they vote, are in the GOP at this point for a variety of reasons. I would also argue the current LP is barely libertarian outside the Mises Caucus which really does nothing besides edgelording on twitter and ranting about the GOP-Trump era not being as good as it is.


As for your specific points.
1. Trump is the least War on Terror president we've had and arguably the best foreign policy president since Eisenhower.

2. Mises Caucus exists so this isn't true. The LP has no unity on cultural issues and if we are being honest, the people in power are closer to pat buchanan culturally than an idiot like gary johnson.

3. The LP really can't make up its mind on this. Either be a purist and advocate for it outright or make some concessions. If you do the latter, I don't see a reason to hate the GOP. Local republicans are doing a lot on drug policy and there's better infrastructure in the GOP to actually get things done. I also don't get why the LP makes drug legalization a big issue. Yes, i know the wod is bad, but a lot of the LP's concerns are more about being degenerates and less about getting people out of prison. That's an issue.

1. We live in an era right now where it's obvious Dem are a much bigger threat to liberty than the GOP. COVID lockdowns proved this. It's not comparable. You can see the difference in freedom by comparing California to Florida.


Dem politicians are a bunch of moronic losers who are constantly fighting and feuding with each other.

The GOP, on the other hand, has an active plan and actions to back it up with regards to banning abortion and curtailing gay rights, which are things that Libertarians mostly support.

On Abortion it depends on what libertarians you are talking about. The most iconic libertarian politician, Ron Paul, was anti abortion.

But he was very libertarian on fiscal matters, and fiscal issues used to mean a lot more when taxes were higher.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2022, 02:47:11 AM »

Most of this response is just proving Dule's point.

The GOP argument is essentially "Why don't libertarians like our war on drugs, abortion, and Iraq?"
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2022, 02:07:32 AM »

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist
Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd
dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Ayn Rand isn't a libertarian. Goldwater's son even said Goldwater was a foreign policy dove and when Goldwater ran for president, he wasn't a libertarian. Using statements from people that aren't libertarian to make a libertarian case for being a warhawk is idiotic and you should know this. It's obvious you don't have much exposure to the libertarian movement or are best a regime libertarian which is pretty much the cringe dorks on twitter masquerading as competent republicans with some affection for democrats

Yes, the guy who advocated for nuking Vietnam was a dove?
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