Why do Republicans seem to think they are owed support from Libertarians?

[John Dule]

1. I oppose Libertarian foreign policy but a core of libertarianism is isolationism or at most paleo-conservatism so if you oppose that I don't see how you can really call your self Libertarian Dule. I also think isolationism is stupid but thats why I am not a libertarian

What's the point of making a thread about Libertarians when you aren't even with Libertarians on their biggest issue?

"I would advocate that which the Soviet Union fears above all else: economic boycott, I would advocate a blockade of Cuba and an economic boycott of Soviet Russia; and you would see both of those regimes collapse without the loss of a single American life." -Ayn Rand, the mother of libertarianism

Biden is using a more moderate version of this approach in his handling of modern Russia, and it is working. This might come as a shock to you guys, but libertarians generally don't love dictators and repressive authoritarian regimes!

[OSR stands with Israel]

1. I oppose Libertarian foreign policy but a core of libertarianism is isolationism or at most paleo-conservatism so if you oppose that I don't see how you can really call your self Libertarian Dule. I also think isolationism is stupid but thats why I am not a libertarian

What's the point of making a thread about Libertarians when you aren't even with Libertarians on their biggest issue?

"I would advocate that which the Soviet Union fears above all else: economic boycott, I would advocate a blockade of Cuba and an economic boycott of Soviet Russia; and you would see both of those regimes collapse without the loss of a single American life." -Ayn Rand, the mother of libertarianism

Biden is using a more moderate version of this approach in his handling of modern Russia, and it is working. This might come as a shock to you guys, but libertarians generally don't love dictators and repressive authoritarian regimes!

They don’t support but libertarians are very much either isolationist or paleo conservative. So a libertarian approach to this would be an economic boycott but not sending arms to Ukraine .

Of course libertarians would be massively wrong here but what you support is not really libertarian at all here

[Saint Milei]

1. I oppose Libertarian foreign policy but a core of libertarianism is isolationism or at most paleo-conservatism so if you oppose that I don't see how you can really call your self Libertarian Dule. I also think isolationism is stupid but thats why I am not a libertarian

What's the point of making a thread about Libertarians when you aren't even with Libertarians on their biggest issue?

"I would advocate that which the Soviet Union fears above all else: economic boycott, I would advocate a blockade of Cuba and an economic boycott of Soviet Russia; and you would see both of those regimes collapse without the loss of a single American life." -Ayn Rand, the mother of libertarianism

Biden is using a more moderate version of this approach in his handling of modern Russia, and it is working. This might come as a shock to you guys, but libertarians generally don't love dictators and repressive authoritarian regimes!

Ayn Rand isn't a libertarian.

[John Dule]

1. I oppose Libertarian foreign policy but a core of libertarianism is isolationism or at most paleo-conservatism so if you oppose that I don't see how you can really call your self Libertarian Dule. I also think isolationism is stupid but thats why I am not a libertarian

What's the point of making a thread about Libertarians when you aren't even with Libertarians on their biggest issue?

"I would advocate that which the Soviet Union fears above all else: economic boycott, I would advocate a blockade of Cuba and an economic boycott of Soviet Russia; and you would see both of those regimes collapse without the loss of a single American life." -Ayn Rand, the mother of libertarianism

Biden is using a more moderate version of this approach in his handling of modern Russia, and it is working. This might come as a shock to you guys, but libertarians generally don't love dictators and repressive authoritarian regimes!

Ayn Rand isn't a libertarian.

cool story bro

[Saint Milei]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

[PSOL]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

There cannot be death if there was no life, libertarianism and libertarian party sympathizers were always 3-4 enthusiasts at a time; recently it’s sparkey, the Russian, and one other yellow avatar who barely posts. The rest either were just self-interested intellectual types who went to Biden, edgy Republicans, or plain state identifiers who are really into cowboys

[OSR stands with Israel]

While I don’t disagree , I will point out Reagan was the most libertarian president we have had economically since the 1920s. He pretty much replaced the old economic consensus with a far more libertarian friendly consensus called “neoliberalism”

Good thing Ronnie did it on a fiscally responsible budget!




This isn't a free market. It's crony capitalism.

Republicans constantly yammer on about how to prevent young people from falling to socialism while all they do in office is cut taxes for rich people, increase the deficit and debt, and then leave.

Meanwhile, Libertarians actually provide real solutions to problems.

The Republican solution to the housing crisis is to scream and whine and give boomers tax breaks to buy their fifth investment property (negative gearing). Compared to that, young people like socialist rent control.

Libertarians, on the other hand, provide reasonable solutions like... building more housing.

Republicans always manage to gut regulation for the financial sector but they never get around to zoning reform

I’d just point out real median income has gone up a lot and that imo is more important than income inequality



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States


As for life expectancy, keep in mind fast food got a lot cheaper here compared to the rest of the world as well . As for the debt , keep in mind that foreign policy plays a huge factor in that and I am not saying Reagan was libertarian at all when it came to that regard cause he absolutely was not .


On housing Red States do have far more lenient zoning laws than blue states which is why they are cheaper as well .
 

[Continential]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

While I don’t disagree , I will point out Reagan was the most libertarian president we have had economically since the 1920s. He pretty much replaced the old economic consensus with a far more libertarian friendly consensus called “neoliberalism”

Good thing Ronnie did it on a fiscally responsible budget!




This isn't a free market. It's crony capitalism.

Republicans constantly yammer on about how to prevent young people from falling to socialism while all they do in office is cut taxes for rich people, increase the deficit and debt, and then leave.

Meanwhile, Libertarians actually provide real solutions to problems.

The Republican solution to the housing crisis is to scream and whine and give boomers tax breaks to buy their fifth investment property (negative gearing). Compared to that, young people like socialist rent control.

Libertarians, on the other hand, provide reasonable solutions like... building more housing.

Republicans always manage to gut regulation for the financial sector but they never get around to zoning reform

I’d just point out real median income has gone up a lot and that imo is more important than income inequality



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States


As for life expectancy, keep in mind fast food got a lot cheaper here compared to the rest of the world as well . As for the debt , keep in mind that foreign policy plays a huge factor in that and I am not saying Reagan was libertarian at all when it came to that regard cause he absolutely was not .


On housing Red States do have far more lenient zoning laws than blue states which is why they are cheaper as well .
 

Sure, but more debt means more interest which means a higher budget. At some point that has to be paid for so then people have to pay more taxes.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I don't think this thread is relevant. I don't see the GOP really caring for the Libertarian Party the way they did a decade ago or even 5-6 years ago. Most libertarians, if they vote, are in the GOP at this point for a variety of reasons. I would also argue the current LP is barely libertarian outside the Mises Caucus which really does nothing besides edgelording on twitter and ranting about the GOP-Trump era not being as good as it is.


As for your specific points.
1. Trump is the least War on Terror president we've had and arguably the best foreign policy president since Eisenhower.

2. Mises Caucus exists so this isn't true. The LP has no unity on cultural issues and if we are being honest, the people in power are closer to pat buchanan culturally than an idiot like gary johnson.

3. The LP really can't make up its mind on this. Either be a purist and advocate for it outright or make some concessions. If you do the latter, I don't see a reason to hate the GOP. Local republicans are doing a lot on drug policy and there's better infrastructure in the GOP to actually get things done. I also don't get why the LP makes drug legalization a big issue. Yes, i know the wod is bad, but a lot of the LP's concerns are more about being degenerates and less about getting people out of prison. That's an issue.

1. We live in an era right now where it's obvious Dem are a much bigger threat to liberty than the GOP. COVID lockdowns proved this. It's not comparable. You can see the difference in freedom by comparing California to Florida.

Dem politicians are a bunch of moronic losers who are constantly fighting and feuding with each other.

The GOP, on the other hand, has an active plan and actions to back it up with regards to banning abortion and curtailing gay rights, which are things that Libertarians mostly support.

[Saint Milei]

I don't think this thread is relevant. I don't see the GOP really caring for the Libertarian Party the way they did a decade ago or even 5-6 years ago. Most libertarians, if they vote, are in the GOP at this point for a variety of reasons. I would also argue the current LP is barely libertarian outside the Mises Caucus which really does nothing besides edgelording on twitter and ranting about the GOP-Trump era not being as good as it is.


As for your specific points.
1. Trump is the least War on Terror president we've had and arguably the best foreign policy president since Eisenhower.

2. Mises Caucus exists so this isn't true. The LP has no unity on cultural issues and if we are being honest, the people in power are closer to pat buchanan culturally than an idiot like gary johnson.

3. The LP really can't make up its mind on this. Either be a purist and advocate for it outright or make some concessions. If you do the latter, I don't see a reason to hate the GOP. Local republicans are doing a lot on drug policy and there's better infrastructure in the GOP to actually get things done. I also don't get why the LP makes drug legalization a big issue. Yes, i know the wod is bad, but a lot of the LP's concerns are more about being degenerates and less about getting people out of prison. That's an issue.

1. We live in an era right now where it's obvious Dem are a much bigger threat to liberty than the GOP. COVID lockdowns proved this. It's not comparable. You can see the difference in freedom by comparing California to Florida.

Dem politicians are a bunch of moronic losers who are constantly fighting and feuding with each other.

The GOP, on the other hand, has an active plan and actions to back it up with regards to banning abortion and curtailing gay rights, which are things that Libertarians mostly support.

the gop feuds internally more than dems.


Anyone that thinks abortion rights are a libertarian cause doesn't know much about the libertarian movement. There is no active assault on gay people right now. Additionally, most libertarians don't use the expression "gay rights" and think government shouldn't be involved in marriage

[Saint Milei]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

[Continential]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

[Saint Milei]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

[PSOL]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Dead0Man is not a libertarian lol, and especially not Jaichind

[OSR stands with Israel]

I don't think this thread is relevant. I don't see the GOP really caring for the Libertarian Party the way they did a decade ago or even 5-6 years ago. Most libertarians, if they vote, are in the GOP at this point for a variety of reasons. I would also argue the current LP is barely libertarian outside the Mises Caucus which really does nothing besides edgelording on twitter and ranting about the GOP-Trump era not being as good as it is.


As for your specific points.
1. Trump is the least War on Terror president we've had and arguably the best foreign policy president since Eisenhower.

2. Mises Caucus exists so this isn't true. The LP has no unity on cultural issues and if we are being honest, the people in power are closer to pat buchanan culturally than an idiot like gary johnson.

3. The LP really can't make up its mind on this. Either be a purist and advocate for it outright or make some concessions. If you do the latter, I don't see a reason to hate the GOP. Local republicans are doing a lot on drug policy and there's better infrastructure in the GOP to actually get things done. I also don't get why the LP makes drug legalization a big issue. Yes, i know the wod is bad, but a lot of the LP's concerns are more about being degenerates and less about getting people out of prison. That's an issue.

1. We live in an era right now where it's obvious Dem are a much bigger threat to liberty than the GOP. COVID lockdowns proved this. It's not comparable. You can see the difference in freedom by comparing California to Florida.

Dem politicians are a bunch of moronic losers who are constantly fighting and feuding with each other.

The GOP, on the other hand, has an active plan and actions to back it up with regards to banning abortion and curtailing gay rights, which are things that Libertarians mostly support.

On Abortion it depends on what libertarians you are talking about. The most iconic libertarian politician, Ron Paul, was anti abortion.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I don't think this thread is relevant. I don't see the GOP really caring for the Libertarian Party the way they did a decade ago or even 5-6 years ago. Most libertarians, if they vote, are in the GOP at this point for a variety of reasons. I would also argue the current LP is barely libertarian outside the Mises Caucus which really does nothing besides edgelording on twitter and ranting about the GOP-Trump era not being as good as it is.


As for your specific points.
1. Trump is the least War on Terror president we've had and arguably the best foreign policy president since Eisenhower.

2. Mises Caucus exists so this isn't true. The LP has no unity on cultural issues and if we are being honest, the people in power are closer to pat buchanan culturally than an idiot like gary johnson.

3. The LP really can't make up its mind on this. Either be a purist and advocate for it outright or make some concessions. If you do the latter, I don't see a reason to hate the GOP. Local republicans are doing a lot on drug policy and there's better infrastructure in the GOP to actually get things done. I also don't get why the LP makes drug legalization a big issue. Yes, i know the wod is bad, but a lot of the LP's concerns are more about being degenerates and less about getting people out of prison. That's an issue.

1. We live in an era right now where it's obvious Dem are a much bigger threat to liberty than the GOP. COVID lockdowns proved this. It's not comparable. You can see the difference in freedom by comparing California to Florida.

Dem politicians are a bunch of moronic losers who are constantly fighting and feuding with each other.

The GOP, on the other hand, has an active plan and actions to back it up with regards to banning abortion and curtailing gay rights, which are things that Libertarians mostly support.

On Abortion it depends on what libertarians you are talking about. The most iconic libertarian politician, Ron Paul, was anti abortion.

But he was very libertarian on fiscal matters, and fiscal issues used to mean a lot more when taxes were higher.

[John Dule]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

[John Dule]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

Ok 👍

[Goldwater]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

I'll be honest, I'm not really sure I understand why Barry Goldwater is "still a conservative first" while Ron Paul is "The most iconic libertarian politician".

[John Dule]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

I'll be honest, I'm not really sure I understand why Barry Goldwater is "still a conservative first" while Ron Paul is "The most iconic libertarian politician".

Oh, that’s simple. It is a semantic distinction without a difference that exists in his head.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

I'll be honest, I'm not really sure I understand why Barry Goldwater is "still a conservative first" while Ron Paul is "The most iconic libertarian politician".

Barry Goldwater’s book was literally “conscience of a conservative” and the fact is he moved the conservative wing of the Republican Party  in general way from isolationism/paleo Conservativism that defined that wing from the aftermath of WW1 to Robert Taft.

Though one area where he did disagree with conservative foreign policy later on  is he did seem to oppose reestablishing relations with China .

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Most of this response is just proving Dule's point.

The GOP argument is essentially "Why don't libertarians like our war on drugs, abortion, and Iraq?"

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

I'll be honest, I'm not really sure I understand why Barry Goldwater is "still a conservative first" while Ron Paul is "The most iconic libertarian politician".

Oh, that’s simple. It is a semantic distinction without a difference that exists in his head.

Foreign policy beliefs is a huge part in determining whether someone is libertarian or not