Conservatives Promote American Version of Infant Abandonment System

[GeorgiaModerate]

(Seen on Twitter) "Dropbox for Babies" sounds like the title of a basic introduction to cloud file storage.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

(Seen on Twitter) "Dropbox for Babies" sounds like the title of a basic introduction to cloud file storage.

Or a sex joke

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The bad thing is a lot of kids given up get passed into religious institutions which are there to groom the kids into child brides. Not a good situation post roe, government needs to turn its eye to the evangelical churches as the abuse will be allowed skyrocket as the pipelines are well in place. It’s why they pushed so hard.

This is just Q-anon for liberals

[Hermit For Peace]

Such acrobatics the far right religious ones do to prove their point. And their point is that an embryo with a heartbeat is a full human with full human rights. And this is true because God ordained it so. And they will probably go to hell if they don't obey this misguided belief of theirs. Meanwhile, because of their blind, fanatical drive to make all fetuses as having the same rights as real live human beings, women are suffering because of their ignorance.

And I guess that isn't a crime or a sin, just as long as we can have baby drop boxes so the unfortunate ones who are born and not wanted have a place to be discarded. I guess it takes the guilt off of the religious fanatical ones to provide in this way, but it doesn't really, because they are guilty of far greater crimes against women and the unwanted ones, and that's probably what their God will punish them for, not for aborting unwanted potential life.

[The Dowager Mod]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

[Antonio the Sixth]

The best way to handle this is to have a system where the mother can - legally, anonymously and without stigma - give the baby away to social services upon giving birth. Offloading this to a haphazard "dropbox" system is the typical harebrained Republican facsimile version of that, but I guess still better than nothing.

[The Dowager Mod]

I gave it a severe infraction, not a hell of a lot more I can do.

[It’s so Joever]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

One can tell a lot about a person by how they treat service workers. While not a traditional service worker role…I do think unpaid moderators with lives of their own as well do qualify.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

One can tell a lot about a person by how they treat service workers. While not a traditional service worker role…I do think unpaid moderators with lives of their own as well do qualify.

The test of this is when you go to a restaurant.  What kind of a tipper are you?

[Ebowed]

The bad thing is a lot of kids given up get passed into religious institutions which are there to groom the kids into child brides. Not a good situation post roe, government needs to turn its eye to the evangelical churches as the abuse will be allowed skyrocket as the pipelines are well in place. It’s why they pushed so hard.

This is just Q-anon for liberals

Seriously.  Where is this absolutely delusional nonsense coming from?

Are you willing to pay more tax to ensure an adequate number of facilities and caregivers for children who are wards of the state? Are you willing to foster or adopt unwanted children?

Of course you're not. You just want to force women to give birth to them. Once that's been accomplished, you could care less about what happens for the rest of their lives.

Are you going to apologize and retract this statement?

[beaver2.0]

My guy reaction is that this is a little weird but realistically, it's probably better to have something like this than nothing at all.

[It’s so Joever]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

One can tell a lot about a person by how they treat service workers. While not a traditional service worker role…I do think unpaid moderators with lives of their own as well do qualify.

The test of this is when you go to a restaurant.  What kind of a tipper are you?

Tipping is the bare minimum. How you treat those doing a service for you is just as telling.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

One can tell a lot about a person by how they treat service workers. While not a traditional service worker role…I do think unpaid moderators with lives of their own as well do qualify.

The test of this is when you go to a restaurant.  What kind of a tipper are you?

Tipping is the bare minimum. How you treat those doing a service for you is just as telling.

I come from a family full of restaurant employees.  I had a part time job for extra money working at a Carrabbas a few years ago, so I don't need your lectures.  It's pretty condescending, even for you.

This is a discussion forum.  Moderators aren't service employees and there's an expectation that they'll be fair and impartial, regardless of ideological leanings.  

[Badger]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

It is not a personal attack. Oh the whining, oh God the whining.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

It is not a personal attack. Oh the whining, oh God the whining.

It was infracted as a severe personal attack. In any case, we're well off-topic.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

You insist that Democrats are evil libertines and icky LGBTQs who are destroying traditional American family values.

In that context, I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate point.

Why are you taking care of your step-grandchild? Why does (s)he not live with their mother and father (i.e. your or your wife's child)? That is what traditional families do. Why aren't you practicing what you preach?

I've shared that story years ago:

Until anyone has a good, thoughtful, legitimate ing reason to be against justice for people of colour, fairness for women, acceptance of queerfolk, and kindness to people with different religious beliefs, this whole damn thing is a sick joke. Truly.

I mean, "anti-progressive?" WTF is that? You feel insecure that you're asked to have an iota of consideration for people who are different? You're uncomfortable accepting that some people are born into circumstances that force them to confront bigger barriers than you, just because you're afraid of the possibility that maybe you didn't "earn" everything you have with "hard work" alone?

JFC

Condescending individuals like you, young, inexperienced, and having paid no dues to life, don't get it.  What has been discounted, disrespected, and disregarded is WORK and WORKING Americans.  Folks like you, who haven't worked much, haven't sacrificed for others (I mean REAL sacrifice, not just an afternoon as a counter-demonstrator.), and haven't pulled their weight.

I'll tell you what my morning was like.  After working 40 hours on my regular job that requires a college degree, on which I haven't gotten much in the way of raises over the last decade (except for when I was promoted), I took my 61 year old butt to a local restaurant, where I have a part time job cleaning the place up, and getting it ready for opening, cleaning floors and bathrooms.  As an extra duty, I cleaned nasty, greasy garbage cans and pipes on a hard tile floor despite some aches and pains that are, likely, undiagnosed osteoarthritis.  I do this so my 12 year old son can have some extras (namely,, particiation in speed roller skating).  

I'm not asking for sympathy, and I'll own my mistakes and choices, but if you want to talk about confronting bigger barriers, how about my 12 year old son, who is my adopted step-grandson.  My wife and I adopted him due to the out-of-control substance abuse of my oldest son and his birth mother.  He's been diagnosed with ADHD, and I'm not going to vouch for the pre-natal care he received,  I'm not asking for folks to applaud my wife and myself, but I want you to consider how much difficulty he's had at school, and how much ignorance I've put up with by folks from all sorts of sources who seem to believe that if I only spanked him more, he'd learn and pay attention.  

Now I realize that other folks have endured prejudices and barriers, but I also realize that the rate at which Americans commit crimes is not uniform across all demographics.  Yes the wrongs of discrimination need to end, but the disadvantages of many who claim "discrimination" are, in fact, the disadvantages that come from poor life choices, including the decision to commit crimes.  I'm not for discrimination (especially discrimination in employment) and while I don't sign off on sexual sin, I'm not for Scarlet Letters or Government Jackboots kicking down doors for activities between consenting adults.  But you'll forgive me if I express the concept that the FIRST consideration of any government ought to be the concerns of the folks who do the work of society and pay the taxes.  

"You at home listening tonight, you are the people who pay the taxes and obey the laws. You are the people who make our system work. You are the people who make America what it is. It is from your ranks that I come and on your side that I stand."  President Gerald Ford, accepting the Republican nomination for President, 1976

The Obama years were not some sort of American Nightmare.  I voted for Obama in 2012 and I generally thought he was OK as President.  But the Obama years were years where those who didn't pay taxes, broke laws, and did little to contribute to the work of society had their grievances given top priority.  Rioters were referred to as demonstrators, illegal immigrants were presented at a political convention as "countrymen" and folks who actively resisted lawful arrests were made martyrs, while folks who cheered this on viewed coal miners as the real enemy, for their "attack" on "the environment" and cheered the loss of mining jobs.  And, yes, the media and many institutions overrun by liberal bias have more sympathy for select groups of "victims" than for folks who have followed the rules and find themselves out of jobs.  There was an "Enough is enough!" consensus on the issue of penalizing folks who took responsibility for their own lives and followed the rules and laws of society.

Decades of working, of supporting a family, of taking responsibility for both my life and the lives of my wife and children (especially minor children) has given me a worldview that only doing that can bring.  When you're adult enough to take on such responsibilities, and demonstrate enough grit to persevere in fulfilling them when the going gets tough, you'll have something with depth and weight to say.  Right now, you're merely pompous and inexperienced, and probably not up to what millions of folks do every day.  In my youth, I was a snotty know-it-all like you are now.  I now understand why folks blew me off.  Perhaps the maturing process will afford you the same experience.

And, perhaps, this is silly of me.  But your signature of Hillary and her mother (I think that's her.) laughing on a park bench.  It's easy for me to visualize her either laughing at the plight of ordinary, hardworking, culturally conservative law-abiding Americans when she's not lecturing them as Deplorable.  People like me OUGHT to be voting Democratic.  It's the attitudes of Democrats toward people such as myself that make it tough.  Trump, with all his imperfections, is willing to give at least lip service to honoring those who work and play by rules, as opposed to those who don't.  Yes, I get it' they're not actually doing that in the photo, but the imagery is easy to conjure up, and Hillary brought that on herself.

This wasn't the first time, but it is the earliest I can think of.

If you had any shame you'd leave the Forum and never come back, but you won't.  You're not decent enough to apologize.  Indeed, you're not decent at all.  The mods can infract me if they wish and I won't complain.  But you rephrased a deleted personal attack on me AND on my family.  That speaks volumes about you.  Perhaps, for once, some of the people here will give you the grief people give me.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

It is not a personal attack. Oh the whining, oh God the whining.

He literally attacked Fuzzy and his Wife so yes it is a definition of a personal attack

[OSR stands with Israel]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

Get over yourself, Some of us can't be around 24/7 to cater to you.

I'd have just reported it if it were me.  The personal attack extended to my wife and family and that is not OK any day of the week.  Quite frankly, if someone attacked YOUR family in such a manner, you'd be seeking a mute at a minimum.  (And rightfully so; attacking families of posters who are private citizens and who are not members of this Forum is beyond the normal range of personal attacks here.)

You insist that Democrats are evil libertines and icky LGBTQs who are destroying traditional American family values.

In that context, I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate point.

Why are you taking care of your step-grandchild? Why does (s)he not live with their mother and father (i.e. your or your wife's child)? That is what traditional families do. Why aren't you practicing what you preach?

One Grandparents are part of the traditional family and two you should be completely ashamed of yourself for the personal attack and need to apologize

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

If you had any shame you'd leave the Forum and never come back, but you won't.  You're not decent enough to apologize.  Indeed, you're not decent at all.  The mods can infract me if they wish and I won't complain.  But you rephrased a deleted personal attack on me AND on my family.  That speaks volumes about you.  Perhaps, for once, some of the people here will give you the grief people give me.

Oh spare me. You're a grown man. If you really care what a total stranger on the Internet says, that says more about you than it does about me.

You have no shortage of hate for immigrants, Muslims, black people, trans people.

You have no sympathy whatsoever for a rape victim who you want to force to have a baby. You don't care at all about people who can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

It is not a personal attack. Oh the whining, oh God the whining.

He literally attacked Fuzzy and his Wife so yes it is a definition of a personal attack

I didn't attack anyone. If anyone should be apologizing, it should be him.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

I didn't attack anyone.

     I must have imagined this:

You raised an addict. You failed as a parent. You deserve exactly as much sympathy as you give anyone else - zero.

Have you never read a Fuzzy post before? Look what he's been saying about Brittney Griner.

Someone who votes for Trump and embraces the nastiness of the GOP and then gets their precious little fee-fees hurt over something someone said on the internet is just a petty, thin-skinned hypocrite.

     You attacked him. In a very dishonest and disgusting way to boot. It's not like that suddenly didn't happen because you think he deserves it.

It's called hypocrisy and I'm not at all surprised the blue avatars on here are particularly squirmy when it gets called out.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The best way to handle this is to have a system where the mother can - legally, anonymously and without stigma - give the baby away to social services upon giving birth. Offloading this to a haphazard "dropbox" system is the typical harebrained Republican facsimile version of that, but I guess still better than nothing.

The idea is an import from Europe.

https://www.npr.org/2007/03/07/7730566/italy-takes-high-tech-tactics-for-abandoned-babies

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

IndyTX, is there any chance in hell you might give it a damn rest and allow this thread to be about its actual subject and not your dislike for another poster?

[Ebowed]

It's called hypocrisy and I'm not at all surprised the blue avatars on here are particularly squirmy when it gets called out.

You're not "calling out" anything.  You're just regurgitating political talking points to sustain a prolonged and increasingly unhinged personal attack on a random person on the Internet.  You might need help, dude.