If Lake/Finchem tried to steal AZ, do they succeed or fail?
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« on: August 04, 2022, 10:41:13 PM »

If Kari Lake and Mark Finchem tried to steal the election would they succeed or fail?
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2022, 12:35:09 AM »

This time around, unlike in 2020, we don't have a criminal Attorney General. Merrick Garland, for all his plodding deliberations and meticulous, slow pace, will not let this happen.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 01:12:34 AM »

Fail in actually stealing the election but succeed in causing chaos and making the current situation worse.

At the very worst Garland would have to intervene though I suspect a lower court would step in before then.

The exception being if AZ is decisive and is actually too close to call, with accusations of poll watchers causing problems and fishy buisness in both sides. That’s my nightmare.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 01:41:48 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2022, 01:51:27 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

Do they have the votes to overturn the race in congress?
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2022, 01:52:59 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

Do they have the votes to overturn the race in congress?

Depends how many seats they win in 2022. Romney, Murkowski (if she wins) and Collins are the only obvious no's in the Senate, and there are about a dozen more tossup votes in the Republican caucus in my opinion.

In the House, they probably will have the votes, unless their majority is really tiny.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2022, 01:59:08 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

Do they have the votes to overturn the race in congress?

Depends how many seats they win in 2022. Romney, Murkowski (if she wins) and Collins are the only obvious no's in the Senate, and there are about a dozen more tossup votes in the Republican caucus in my opinion.

In the House, they probably will have the votes, unless their majority is really tiny.

Only about 2/3 of the GOP caucus voted to overturn in 2021. That’s a lot but probably not enough unless they’re at above 300 seats.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2022, 02:01:37 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

Do they have the votes to overturn the race in congress?

Depends how many seats they win in 2022. Romney, Murkowski (if she wins) and Collins are the only obvious no's in the Senate, and there are about a dozen more tossup votes in the Republican caucus in my opinion.

In the House, they probably will have the votes, unless their majority is really tiny.

Only about 2/3 of the GOP caucus voted to overturn in 2021. That’s a lot but probably not enough unless they’re at above 300 seats.

To be fair, I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of those no votes in the GOP caucus would have been yes's if the Republican trying to overturn the election wasn't Trump.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2022, 07:33:24 AM »

It would likely go back to SCOTUS if Biden is ahead not behind and the Crt already rules that Trump can't steal an election but it all depends on if Biden is AHEAD
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2022, 07:39:43 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

The ratings have D's keeping the Senate in 22 and we have a favorite map in 24 and since Ryan is winning Brown, Tester or Manchin won't lose afterall Manchin has a 60% Approval like Beshear and confirmed he is running for reelection, and I'd we have an RH we can win 15 seats back in 24 Rs had a 15 seat majority in 2016 and we wiped it away in 2018
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2022, 07:43:35 AM »

Users act like if Rs get the majority it's over and finishes winning 15 seats is nothing and we won 15 seats after R TRIFECTA from 2017/2019 with Paul Ryan whom was more popular than Kevin McCarthy

The Rs kept theR Congress for 12, yrs during Lewinsky, and 8 yrs because Boehner certified Biden in 2012, this R H wants to uncertify BIDEN
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2022, 08:21:07 AM »

Succeed, assuming the same definition of "steal" that Donald Trump used.

I don't think they or the people they'll surround them with are savvy enough to release that "stealing" an election happens in the spring rather than the fall and winter, but someone would clearly clue them in. It's really not that hard; Democrats were able to do it in multiple states where they didn't even have Democratic row officers. Obviously, it will be much tougher in a year where everyone sees it coming and a new emergency would have to be manufactured, but it's really not difficult to manipulate voting processes.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 03:12:11 PM »

This time around, unlike in 2020, we don't have a criminal Attorney General.
Trump's stolen election claims was the reason Barr resigned so I wouldn't call him a criminal.
They'd likely fail because the justice department would prevent such a thing from happening. The only way it could succeed is if Lake/Finchem appealed and the SC pulled a Bush.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2022, 03:41:29 PM »

Fail, and they would likely not do this if they cared about being re-elected.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2022, 04:03:18 PM »

Fail, and they would likely not do this if they cared about being re-elected.

They have already essentially promised to do this in their current races. Why would we assume they would change their tune for a reelection campaign if voters already validated their antics in 2022?
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2022, 09:38:58 PM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

Sounds like speculation.
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2022, 12:34:56 AM »

They would succeed thanks to the conservative Supreme Court/Republican control of Congress.

There are already five votes on the Supreme Court to allow them to steal Arizona (all conservatives except Roberts).

Sounds like speculation.

No sh**t, it's a discussion about a hypothetical situation taking place 2 years from now. Everything in this entire board is speculation.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2022, 02:09:38 AM »

No sh**t, it's a discussion about a hypothetical situation taking place 2 years from now. Everything in this entire board is speculation.

The 2nd part, not the 1st.
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