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Question: Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, or Russian Federation?
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Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
 
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Cassandra
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« on: August 09, 2022, 02:26:35 PM »

There has never been a state in human history more depraved and evil than the USSR.

Oh come on. I get what you're trying to communicate here, but come on. It wasn't even the most depraved and evil Marxist-Leninist state.

Stalin basically is a huge reason why the Communists won the Chinese Civil War though

What do you think a Chiang Kai-Shek -run China would have looked like? Imagine the people who carried out Taiwan's White Terror had the run of the whole of China.
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Cassandra
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2022, 07:54:33 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2022, 11:55:49 AM by Cassandra »

There has never been a state in human history more depraved and evil than the USSR.

Oh come on. I get what you're trying to communicate here, but come on. It wasn't even the most depraved and evil Marxist-Leninist state.

The one thing that I will say about the USSR is that it’s imperialism makes it a unique force of evil. For example, Nazi Germany may have have been more evil with what it did within its borders, but it’s carnage was intended to be limited to the confines of Europe. The USSR had clear intentions to export its ideology and practices to every corner of the globe.

'Nazi Germany wasn't imperialist'

Truly the best take.

Nazi Germany’s imperialism extended only to about half of Europe. The Soviet Union desired every square inch to be under its control, either directly on indirectly. These two scenarios are not comparable.

It's the other way around.

Soviets wanted a buffer zone to insulate Moscow, that's it.

Lebensraum is quite different.

The Soviet Union did not want a “buffer zone,” they wanted the entire domination of the whole world. There’s a reason why pretty much every single Marxist-Leninist political party got such intense funding from the Soviet Union, and why they invaded countries such as Afghanistan whenever any sort of rebellion against that order happened.

Meanwhile, Lebensraum was about half of Europe.

No they didn't. The communism-everywhere faction lost power when Trotsky lost out to Stalin. Just look at how reluctant the Soviets were to support communist movements in the third world. Communists don't like hearing this, but the Soviet Union under Stalin and thereafter was primarily a Russian national project, concerned with its own survival rather than "world domination." That latter concern was the US's goal (which they certainly succeeded at, look at how few countries have insulated themselves from global markets). Ascribing world domination to the soviets is simple projection.

Jacking off the Nazis, like you're doing, is something far worse. Do you really think the Nazi war machine would have stopped for anything other than a breather upon reaching some arbitrary border? No, what stopped the Third Reich was the combined might of the Soviet and American war machines.
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