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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2022, 03:25:49 PM »
« edited: August 05, 2022, 12:52:10 PM by Torie »

The policy is asinine on multiple levels, starting with flushing down the toilet all of the financial planning those paying into the system reasonably relied. Hey Torie, we find the SS program is underfunded, so we are slashing your check in half. Have a nice day. Too bad Congresspersons are not part of the SS system. Another approach is to slash medicare, so geezers die sooner. That will help improve solvency a lot on both fronts.

You're getting exactly what you spent several decades of your life voting for and are now only upset about because it's affecting you.

Giving one the benefit of the doubt just isn't your style I see. But if you want to slash SS to punish me go for it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2022, 03:31:41 PM »
« Edited: August 04, 2022, 03:35:21 PM by ProgressiveModerate »

Wisconsin: Likely R -> Tossup
US Senate: Tossup -> Lean D
I doubt it'll impact anything. Ron's always been the type to say crazy things but that didn't stop him from outperforming Trump. Russ was better.


Tbf, in 2016 Ron Johnson was relatively undefined and basically ran a slightly more friendly version of Trump's populist's campaign. Over the past 4 years he's shown his true colours though. For many moderates and conservatives who may have voted for Clinton, he was still an accpetable conservative to vote for.

In 2016, Johnson saw very significant crossover voting support in many suburbs, particularly around Milwaukee, which he probably won't get in 2022. That alone (probably) isn't enough to knock him off but will be notable.

Overall though he has been pretty effective at dodging these sorts of controversies who for a lot of other people would be a death kiss. Despite a lot of the things he says, he is quite a smart campaigner and messenger.
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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2022, 04:00:11 PM »

Sad thing is, this doofus will likely win by at least 5 points. Johnson blundered his way through the 2016 campaign, polls looked horrible for him, & national Republicans even pulled out of the race for most of the cycle - and he still won by over 3 points in the end against a well-liked, three-term Senator & household name (who admittedly and probably spent too much time lobbying over the years post-career, and who had already been beaten by said doofus 6 years prior).
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2022, 05:40:58 PM »

The Republicans could end up blowing the midterms. They've recruited some horrific candidates, and these ttpes of comments from the current crop of bozos in charge aren't going to play well.

If Democrats were smart, they'd just run these comments in every media market in the US.
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2022, 08:41:25 PM »

"Make it discretionary spending" = steal money from Medicare and use it to give tax cuts to rich people and corporations that they don't need. Disgusting.

This.

But you know what, THIS IS VERY GOOD. Nothing like this will EVER become law in practice, but all it does is give ammunition to the Democratic nominee in WI this year. I want to see WI Democrats running ads and SLAMMING and HAMMERING Johnson on this. SLAM him. Wisconsinites don't want to throw the elderly under the bus, and older Wisconsinites won't respond well to this AT ALL. Time to make this a centrepiece of the Democratic campaign for Senate in WI. If Johnson continues making moronic statements like this, Democrats may defeat him.
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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2022, 08:44:02 PM »

The Republicans could end up blowing the midterms. They've recruited some horrific candidates, and these ttpes of comments from the current crop of bozos in charge aren't going to play well.

If Democrats were smart, they'd just run these comments in every media market in the US.

Agreed on this too, 100%.
It's not just Johnson. I can think of several other terrible GOP candidates who have been nominated in competitive races: Mastriano (PA-GOV), Walker (GA-SEN), and Masters (AZ-SEN). Masters, for instance, similar to Johnson, advocated privatising Social Security. Mastriano is just far-right, period, and alienates moderates and Biden voters at every possible turn. And Walker is a joke of a candidate who cannot speak coherently, let alone get through a debate, and who has scores of skeletons (not to mention secret children) in his closet.
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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2022, 08:45:28 PM »

The Republicans could end up blowing the midterms. They've recruited some horrific candidates, and these ttpes of comments from the current crop of bozos in charge aren't going to play well.

If Democrats were smart, they'd just run these comments in every media market in the US.

Agreed on this too, 100%.
It's not just Johnson. I can think of several other terrible GOP candidates who have been nominated in competitive races: Mastriano (PA-GOV), Walker (GA-SEN), and Masters (AZ-SEN). Masters, for instance, similar to Johnson, advocated privatising Social Security. Mastriano is just far-right, period, and alienates moderates and Biden voters at every possible turn. And Walker is a joke of a candidate who cannot speak coherently, let alone get through a debate, and who has scores of skeletons (not to mention secret children) in his closet.

There's got to be a "Masters & Johnson" joke lurking somewhere.
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2022, 09:05:34 PM »

The Republicans could end up blowing the midterms. They've recruited some horrific candidates, and these ttpes of comments from the current crop of bozos in charge aren't going to play well.

If Democrats were smart, they'd just run these comments in every media market in the US.

Agreed on this too, 100%.
It's not just Johnson. I can think of several other terrible GOP candidates who have been nominated in competitive races: Mastriano (PA-GOV), Walker (GA-SEN), and Masters (AZ-SEN). Masters, for instance, similar to Johnson, advocated privatising Social Security. Mastriano is just far-right, period, and alienates moderates and Biden voters at every possible turn. And Walker is a joke of a candidate who cannot speak coherently, let alone get through a debate, and who has scores of skeletons (not to mention secret children) in his closet.

There's got to be a "Masters & Johnson" joke lurking somewhere.

They're already both jokes, I think a funnier matchup would be putting Matriano and Walker together in the same room as neither seem to be particular smart when it comes to what they say whereas at least Johnson and Masters seem to be calculated
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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2022, 12:26:03 AM »

The Republicans could end up blowing the midterms. They've recruited some horrific candidates, and these ttpes of comments from the current crop of bozos in charge aren't going to play well.

If Democrats were smart, they'd just run these comments in every media market in the US.

Agreed on this too, 100%.
It's not just Johnson. I can think of several other terrible GOP candidates who have been nominated in competitive races: Mastriano (PA-GOV), Walker (GA-SEN), and Masters (AZ-SEN). Masters, for instance, similar to Johnson, advocated privatising Social Security. Mastriano is just far-right, period, and alienates moderates and Biden voters at every possible turn. And Walker is a joke of a candidate who cannot speak coherently, let alone get through a debate, and who has scores of skeletons (not to mention secret children) in his closet.

There's got to be a "Masters & Johnson" joke lurking somewhere.

They're already both jokes, I think a funnier matchup would be putting Matriano and Walker together in the same room as neither seem to be particular smart when it comes to what they say whereas at least Johnson and Masters seem to be calculated

I didn't get the joke until I consulted the ever-faithful Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_and_Johnson
See for yourself.
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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2022, 12:38:52 AM »

That's why the Rs are gonna lose on EDay they aren't offering anything
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2022, 12:46:14 AM »

Luckily for RoJo the Democrats will opt to not press this at all in order to 'bring civility back to politics'
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2022, 07:57:56 AM »

When Wisconsin elects its people, they're not electing their best.

Based on every Packers fan I've ever met, this may actually be their best
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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2022, 06:00:42 PM »

Isn't it interesting how whenever Republicans think they've won everything they start talking about messing with social security? Like back in 2005 when after they thought they had the "permanent Republican majority", they started trying to privatize it? It's almost as if this is what they've wanted to do all along.
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2022, 06:04:09 PM »

Isn't it interesting how whenever Republicans think they've won everything they start talking about messing with social security? Like back in 2005 when after they thought they had the "permanent Republican majority", they started trying to privatize it? It's almost as if this is what they've wanted to do all along.

The entire new deal project is at risk. The civil rights stuff, abortion was the second part of the overall new deal consensus that governed this country from the 1930s through the 1980s.
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2022, 09:21:19 AM »

Note to RoJo:  Stop touching the third rail.

Here's a question:  Do Europe's various Welfare States have BUDGETS for their Welfare State programs, or are they run, financially, on the entitlement basis that America's programs have?
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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2022, 09:33:49 AM »

Note to RoJo:  Stop touching the third rail.

Here's a question:  Do Europe's various Welfare States have BUDGETS for their Welfare State programs, or are they run, financially, on the entitlement basis that America's programs have?
America actually has one of the most progressive income tax structures in the world, while some European nations have fines that get bigger as your income and/or wealth gets larger. Overall, European welfare states, as far as I'm aware, are broadly operated by bureaucracies and funded out of general tax revenues.
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2022, 09:45:09 AM »

Note to RoJo:  Stop touching the third rail.

Here's a question:  Do Europe's various Welfare States have BUDGETS for their Welfare State programs, or are they run, financially, on the entitlement basis that America's programs have?

It depends on the type of welfare, the type of healthcare system they have, social security.

Public education going through college; is funded out of the general tax revenues for most European Countries.  Some countries like the UK, Spain, have healthcare funded out of the general budget as well.

Other countries have multipayer health insurance; regulated private insurance which takes deductions out of your your paycheck, quite like Medicare.
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