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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2023, 06:54:20 AM »

As I said the Best Argument is that there is the universe and there are good and evil forces out there, the worst argument is that we come from nothing
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2023, 02:56:06 AM »

God is 'all knowing' is a common phrase across religion.

When an uneducated human populous pre-Roman-Persian times struggles to explain any Earthly phenomenon correctly, then religion is worthwhile because it is 'all knowing'.

That is, anything you don't understand is OK because God knows and protects against lightning, floods, geological phenomenon etc.

But in 2023, as we can now explain the Universe from the Super micro to the macro, we find that human beings have only been on the planet for 70,000 years out of 4.6Bn years.

So to have a God in human form exist before the creation of the Earth and heavens means that a human was around 5-6 Bn years ago but waited 99.99999999% of that time before placing Adam and Eve on the planet who subsequently bread intoba population who are hell bent on destroying the place.

As science develops, the role of religion as a social construct fades into obscurity.
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2023, 03:42:17 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2023, 03:56:44 PM by Skill and Chance »

God is 'all knowing' is a common phrase across religion.

When an uneducated human populous pre-Roman-Persian times struggles to explain any Earthly phenomenon correctly, then religion is worthwhile because it is 'all knowing'.

That is, anything you don't understand is OK because God knows and protects against lightning, floods, geological phenomenon etc.

But in 2023, as we can now explain the Universe from the Super micro to the macro, we find that human beings have only been on the planet for 70,000 years out of 4.6Bn years.

So to have a God in human form exist before the creation of the Earth and heavens means that a human was around 5-6 Bn years ago but waited 99.99999999% of that time before placing Adam and Eve on the planet who subsequently bread intoba population who are hell bent on destroying the place.

As science develops, the role of religion as a social construct fades into obscurity.

This position was not common in ancient monotheistic religious teachings, and it has IMO done a huge disservice to the branches of Christianity and Islam who have adopted it over the past several hundred years.  Historically, these faiths were mobilizing against polytheistic religions that made every significant natural phenomenon explicitly divine and had their early base with the most educated part of the ancient population.  They were looking for moral law, not detailed explanations of why a particular weather or astronomical event occurred. 

 
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2023, 11:59:06 PM »

God is 'all knowing' is a common phrase across religion.

When an uneducated human populous pre-Roman-Persian times struggles to explain any Earthly phenomenon correctly, then religion is worthwhile because it is 'all knowing'.

That is, anything you don't understand is OK because God knows and protects against lightning, floods, geological phenomenon etc.

But in 2023, as we can now explain the Universe from the Super micro to the macro, we find that human beings have only been on the planet for 70,000 years out of 4.6Bn years.

So to have a God in human form exist before the creation of the Earth and heavens means that a human was around 5-6 Bn years ago but waited 99.99999999% of that time before placing Adam and Eve on the planet who subsequently bread intoba population who are hell bent on destroying the place.

As science develops, the role of religion as a social construct fades into obscurity.

As a practicing scientist I continue to see value in religion. Yes science can fill in the details of answers that were given by religion, but there are still things unknown, and to the best of modern science there are things that science cannot know. Religion can still provide answers in those cases.

My experience with science is that though it does an excellent job of filling in knowledge, it does a poor job at replacing the social constructs offered by religion. It can seek to better explain those constructs but an explanation is not the same as the social construct itself. There are other ways of creating social constructs, but science isn't one of them.
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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2023, 09:38:42 AM »

I don't consider God and religion to be synonyms.
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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2023, 04:55:02 PM »

http://argumentsforatheism.com/arguments.html
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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2023, 02:17:29 PM »

Here is a good one:

It was recently discovered via the finding of an Ancient Tablet that the original intended "number of the Beast" in Christianity was 616, not 666. Yet for thousands of years, the presumption through what seems to have been the result of flawed communications was to use 666, and never during that time did God step in to correct humanity.
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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2023, 04:39:13 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2023, 05:04:46 PM by Benjamin Frank »

The best argument for the existence of a creator of the Universe if not 'God' is that the universe is so finely tuned to exist that it would take a random infinite number of universes to ensure this universe's existence.

You can argue that either there is one creator or that there is infinite number of universes.

https://www.universetoday.com/153083/is-the-universe-fine-tuned-for-life/

There are newer arguments that the universe may not need to be so finely tuned.
https://phys.org/news/2022-02-fine-tuned-universe-illusion.html
Is the 'fine-tuned universe' an illusion?

What is most interesting to me is when the idea of the simulated universe (aka the matrix) was put out, many scientists said 'this would answer so many questions!'

So, scientists are willing to say the universe is simulated because they won't say 'God.'
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