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« on: August 02, 2022, 07:33:51 AM »

Hillary winning 2008 in such a close election (via the House) but has a friendly Congress to deal with
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2022, 04:34:26 AM »

Good start especially after such a close election. What does GWB do now
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2022, 09:31:16 PM »

How is Obama’s Senate career going and will he get a Senate leader
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2022, 05:09:50 AM »

How is Obama’s Senate career going and will he get a Senate leader
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He has been appointed to something better than that Tongue

Associate Justice Barack Obama. The Obama confirmation hearings will be fun
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2022, 07:13:41 PM »
« Edited: September 06, 2022, 08:32:58 AM by BigVic »

Differences from OTL

- Obama is a SCOTUS justice
- Hillary became the first female POTUS after a contingent election
- Dubya is Senator from Texas
- Trump is a Democrat and lost to Hillary in the 2008 Dem Primaries

What is Joe Biden doing as a Senator ITTL?
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2022, 10:51:44 PM »

Former President Bill Clinton is still addressed as “President Clinton” and not “FGOTUS” or “First Gentleman Bill Clinton”
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2022, 08:54:29 PM »

Obama on the Supreme Court. Who’d replace him in the IL-SEN
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 03:51:56 AM »

Trump in 2016 as a Democrat will be fun
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2022, 04:21:41 AM »

2008 was the first election since 1824 to be thrown into the House
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2022, 07:54:31 PM »

Electoral reform is needed ITTL given the closenesses of the 2008 election and that it went into the House to solve future electoral college deadlocks. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2022, 11:34:44 PM »

Clinton looks like a one-termer here
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2022, 08:01:18 AM »

Like her husband and the FGOTUS, she lost the House her the first term but it’s not as bad as 1994.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2022, 07:56:21 PM »

2016 will be more heated than OTL
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2022, 02:36:06 AM »

Lots of OTL 2022 feels in Hillary’s first midterms. She did well especially after a close 2008 and the contingent election
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2022, 01:55:24 AM »

Lots of close Senate races decided by 5 or under
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2023, 08:30:11 PM »

John Boehner becomes speaker as in OTL
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2023, 01:56:35 AM »

What will Harris be doing now
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2023, 07:28:51 AM »

A tricky re-election for Hillary despite the rally-around-the-flag effect over the Iran war
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2023, 11:47:11 PM »

Republicans nominating an Ethnic as candidate up against the first female president. 2012 is going to be historic either way ITTL.
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2024, 09:17:36 PM »

Hillary won a narrow 2008 via the House and no surprise 2012 is close
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2024, 06:21:41 AM »

With 11:00pm West Coast polls closing, it is hard to see how Jindal wins
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2024, 06:29:12 PM »

Hillary gets another 4 years after she won a close and contentious election in 2008
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2024, 07:31:57 AM »

2012 Election Results:

Presidential Election Results:



President Hillary Clinton(D-NY)/Vice President Jay Rockefeller(D-WV) 51.73% 318
Senator Bobby Jindal(R-LA)/Former Governor Mitt Romney(R-MA) 47.26% 220

States Decided by 5 points or Less:

Virginia: Clinton 49.71% Jindal 49.28%
Missouri : Clinton 49.88% Jindal 49.26%
Florida : Jindal 50.05% Clinton 49.08%
West Virginia: Clinton 51.33% Jindal 47.89%
Colorado : Clinton 50.91% Jindal 47.36%
Ohio : Clinton 51.47% Jindal 47.54%
Arkansas: Jindal 51.67% Clinton 47.51%
Nevada : Clinton 51.42% Jindal 46.91%
Iowa : Clinton 51.76% Jindal 46.84%%

States Decided by Between 5-10 points

New Hampshire: Clinton 51.90% Jindal 46.86%
Pennsylvania: Clinton 52.12% Jindal 46.84%
Wisconsin: 51.97% Jindal 46.32%
North Carolina: Jindal 52.63% Clinton 46.53%
New Mexico: Clinton 52.73% Jindal 46.37%
Kentucky: Jindal 52.93% Clinton 46.22%
Michigan: Clinton 52.98% Jindal 45.95%
Maine-2nd: Clinton 52.84% Jindal 45.71%
Minnesota: Clinton 53.22% Jindal 45.53%
Oregon: Clinton 53.63% Jindal 44.51%
Georgia: Jindal 54.53% Clinton 44.63%
New Jersey: Clinton 54.36% Jindal 44.39%


Senate Results:



Democrats: 51(0 - -1)
Republicans: 48(0 - +1)
Too Close to Call: 1

Note: Independent Senator Bernie Sanders is counted in the Democratic Tally

Battleground Senate Races:

Montana : Tester 48.82% Rehberg 48.67%
Washington : Inslee 49.83% Rossi 49.07%
Ohio: Kasich 50.58% Brown: 48.46%
Missouri: Nixon 50.77% Talent 48.54%
Nevada: Heller 47.89% Barkley: 45.12%
Tennessee: Ramsey 51.56% Ford Jr 47.61%
Wisconsin: Baldwin 51.63% Thompson 46.59%
Virginia: Bollings 52.21% Kaine: 46.88%
Rhode Island: Roberts 52.13% Chaffee 46.18%
Michigan: Blanchard 53.03% Cox 45.92%
Maryland: Gansler 55.97% Steele 42.94%
Nebraska: Fischer 56.43% Kerrey 42.53%

House of Representatives:

Republicans: 219(-9 - -11)
Democrats: 214(+9 - +11)
Too Close to Call: 2


Gubernatorial Races:



Battleground Gubernatorial Races:

Indiana: Pence 49.44% Gregg 48.57%
Montana: Bullock 49.08% Stapleton 48.11%
Vermont: Shumlin 47.48% Dublin 46.23%
Washington: McKenna 50.35% Brown 48.19%
North Carolina: McCrory 51.74% Dalton 47.63%
Missouri: Cook 52.12% Brunner 46.89%

Are the Democratic Inroads into Suburbia a Democratic thing or a Clintons thing:

Blitzer: Throughout election night when we went over to the magic wall , we saw a pattern emerge and that is President Clinton overperformed usual Democratic margins in the suburbs. We saw this in the suburbs around DC, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas all of which were critical in the President carrying those states and thus getting reelected. So the question is are these gains Democratic Gains or just the suburbs liking the Clintons

Borger: In my opinion we have to wait and see because if you look at the downballot races this was much more a mixed bag given you saw Republicans like Dean Heller, John Kasich and Bill Bollings put up the numbers Republicans usually do in the suburbs but on the other hand in places like Philadelphia and Kansas City you saw Democrats like Bob Casey and Jay Nixon do even better than the President did.

So I would say we have to wait cause at the moment it seems very candidate specific

King : in my opinion one major test for this will come next year in the off year elections. It is very unlikely they will be able to unseat governor Kean but the question arises whether or not they can retake the Virginia gubernatorial mansion next year . According to rumors , outgoing chief of staff Terry McAullife is expected to run for governor so the question really arises whether or not he can defeat his likely opponent in Bob McDonnell in such a race .

If not then I think the conclusion is these gains are more the Clintons popularity then the democrats popularity but if they do then I think we can say there is a trend in the suburbs for the democrats.


What will be the top priorities by Democrats in the next term

Blitzer : Assuming the two house races split like the current vote count shows and the recount in Montana confirm Tester’s lead , what will be the first priorities of the next term by democrats.

Carville : my belief is the president will Tackle the issue of reducing the costs of higher education . The fact is the amount of debt students are having to incur to go to universities are unsustainable and I think her universal scholarship plan will help deal with that issue . I believe that you can see also an bipartisan bill pass as well as you’d see probably republicans wanting to use such an opportunity to cut the so called fat out of many of these universities

Begala : I agree but I think it will be one part of the President’s investment plan . We also likely will see major increases in funding for R&D which is necessary to keep us the economic super power in the future, and in then moving towards a balanced budget but asking the wealthy and large corporations to pay slightly more to ensure we can start paying down our debt . I think we are likely gonna see a very focused effort on these 3 things and given how tiny the gop majority in the house is , it’s gonna be hard to see how they can block this .

Martin : I agree with James and Paul but I’d like to add that her greatest impact in a 2nd term might not come legislatively but through her cabinet as they will be implementing the legislative achievements passed in term 1 . For example on education she signed a bill which had provisions meant to reduce the gaps we see in education. For example it correctly addresses the fact that it is our responsibility to make sure kids who come from inner cities or rural areas have the same opportunities as the kids who live in rich suburbs and really her department of education in this term can really make that a reality . Furthermore on financial reform , will the provisions be enforced in a way to really lead to a more responsible financial system because if they do that will have greater impact than any bill that gets passed .

Super Early 2016 GOP Predictions:

Blitzer: Now for fun let's have our Republicans on the panel prediction who their party's nominee will be come 2016 assuming neither Bush runs . Pat you first

Buchanan: I think you have to say it has to be Mitt Romney as one he has the most name recognition out of everyone in the field and that always helps but more importantly I think he is the candidate who will be the most acceptable to the widest swath of Republicans possible. Now there are many types of Republicans: Business Conservatives , Religious Conservatives, the Neocons are the main 3 but you also have your Nationalists and yes they still exist, your libertarians and your moderates. Mitt Romney will likely be the primary candiate of the business conservatives while able to appeal to 4 of the 5 remaining groups so I think he has the wide potential swath of support. Now obviously thinks can change but as of today, I think you have to say Mitt Romney

Navarro: I think it will be Marco Rubio. He has everything republicans are looking for in a candidate which is hes young, he has proven appeal with Hispanics, and hes governor of the 4th largest state in the union and very likely will be the third come 2016. He also is a conservative who comes from working class roots so I think he will be able to expand the republican tent more than anyone as he will be able to appeal to young voters, hispanics and working class voters in general that usually vote democratic.

Gingrich: While I may be biased since hes my friend, I am going with John Kasich. Kasich with his victory over Brown was able to successfully get his feet back into the waters of modern politics and the fact is he has a better track record than any other potential candidate. He already is the only house budget chair in the past 4 decades to balance the budget and he did it while cutting taxes and I believe the budget will be the next major issue for conservatives. The fact is for too long Republican and Democratic administrations have been irresponsible when it comes too the budget and John Kasich will be able to make the case better than anyone that he can balance the budget without raising taxes because he already has done it before.

He also hosted a successful show on Fox for 18 months so I think he will have more experience in knowing what the base wants more than anyone else as well.

Cupp: I have to go with Paul Ryan here . He is a solid conservative who was a very successful OMB chair during the McCain administration and has more substantive plans when it comes to conservative priorties than anyone whether it comes to the budget, healthcare, entitlements and is someone who can appeal to both your libertarians and national security conservative as well despite many thinking you cant in a primary. So If I had to choose today, I think the nominee would be Paul Ryan and I think he would win too

Castellanos: I agree with Ana that it will be Governor Rubio



  



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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2024, 08:19:29 PM »

Will Beau run for Senate
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