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« on: July 26, 2022, 08:41:31 PM »
« edited: August 13, 2022, 08:15:55 AM by PPT Spark »

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Cheaper Energy Helps The Poors Act


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Section 1. Title

This Act shall be called the Cheaper Energy Helps the Poors Act.

Section 2. Red-Green Repeal

1. The Red-Green New Deal Act is hereby repealed.

2.  A tax of 10% shall be applied on the profits of any petroleum oil or natural gas extracted in or imported into Atlasia.

Section 3. Enactment

This bill shall come into effect ten (10) days after the date of passage.

Sponsor: Mr. R
Status: Debating

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2022, 08:41:53 PM »
« Edited: July 26, 2022, 09:01:55 PM by PPT Spark »

Moving to co-sponsor this bill. Senators have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2022, 08:45:03 PM »

No objection to the motion to cosponsor.

This bill helps the poor by increasing the supply of critical domestic energy resources, reducing our dependence on foreign dictatorships like the Saudis and the Russians, and prevents harmful supply shocks that increase inflation. This preserves the 10% tax on oil and gas to avoid increasing the deficit. This is a wise and important move to help the poor and fight inflation and foreign dictators.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2022, 09:12:35 PM »

For those of you who do not remember, this is the text of the current law.

Needless to say, I fully oppose any effort to rollback our country's monumental achievements in environmental policy.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2022, 10:23:48 PM »

For those of you who do not remember, this is the text of the current law.

Needless to say, I fully oppose any effort to rollback our country's monumental achievements in environmental policy.

The red new deal is why our gas prices are so high.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2022, 10:39:15 PM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry. The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed. I think it's best to leave this law intact. Atlasia has already made significant strides in combatting global warming, let's not turn back the clock.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2022, 10:50:42 PM »

yeah no.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2022, 11:03:24 PM »

A vote for this bill is a vote to put thousands out of work and to accelerate global warming. Thatís a no from me.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2022, 11:11:55 PM »

Climate change is a significant issue - this hurts our progress, I can't support this.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2022, 02:08:51 AM »


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Cheaper Energy Helps The Poors Act


Senate Bill
to boost domestic energy production to lower energy costs for working Atlasians


Section 1. Title

This Act shall be called the Cheaper Energy Helps the Poors Act.

Section 2. Red-Green Repeal

1. The Red-Green New Deal Act is hereby repealed.

2. 1.  A tax of 10% 25% shall be applied on the profits of any petroleum oil or natural gas extracted in or imported into Atlasia.

Section 3. Enactment

This bill shall come into effect ten (10) days after the date of passage.


A compromise
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2022, 05:58:36 AM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

WD has been claiming gas prices and inflation are super high under President Cao for weeks. How convenient that is no longer the case when needed to provide cover for an attrocious Marxist recession bill. Can Labor make up its mind on if gas prices are high or low?


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The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry.

It doesnt regulate it. It bans it. This outrageous law literally bans natural gas fracking, oil drilling, and pipelines with literally no replacements planned. This would kill a ton of people from supply disruptions and massive price spikes thst cant be handwaved away by hilariously claiming "oh solar magically went from 2% of our grid to 99% of grid instantly just because." I guess thats why the law claims we nationalized a bunch of undisclosed private companies so that the truth wouldnt get out. If the red new deal was passed in real life we'd be in a massive depression.

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The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed.

Who is it employing? People Labor put out of work in the first place. We don't even know how many are "employed" but I doubt its as many as you claim. Especially when the Labor government passed a welfare bill giving UBI to people making like $90K a year. Why would anyone work?
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2022, 06:04:54 AM »

I also object to the amendment. Keeping the tax at all is itself already a compromise.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2022, 09:19:29 AM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry. The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed. I think it's best to leave this law intact. Atlasia has already made significant strides in combatting global warming, let's not turn back the clock.

Can you share the link for this "Public Works Administration"? Can you offer an amendment to this bill that protects employment for these workers or suggest a transition program?
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2022, 09:22:17 AM »

Second S019's amendment.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2022, 09:24:46 AM »


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Cheaper Energy Helps The Poors Act


Senate Bill
to boost domestic energy production to lower energy costs for working Atlasians


Section 1. Title

This Act shall be called the Cheaper Energy Helps the Poors Act.

Section 2. Red-Green Repeal

1. The Red-Green New Deal Act is hereby repealed.

2. 1.  A tax of 10% 25% shall be applied on the profits of any petroleum oil or natural gas extracted in or imported into Atlasia.

Section 3. Enactment

This bill shall come into effect ten (10) days after the date of passage.


A compromise


Opening the vote later today.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2022, 09:37:28 AM »

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Cheaper Energy Helps The Poors Act


Senate Bill
to boost domestic energy production to lower energy costs for working Atlasians


Section 1. Title

This Act shall be called the Cheaper Energy Helps the Poors Act.

Section 2. Red-Green Repeal

1. The Red-Green New Deal Act is hereby repealed.

2. 1.  A tax of 10% 25% shall be applied on the profits of any petroleum oil or natural gas extracted in or imported into Atlasia.

Section 3. Enactment

This bill shall come into effect ten (10) days after the date of passage.


A compromise


Opening the vote later today.

You should be opening the 24 hour objection period, and as an objection has already been raised a vote should automatically be opened.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2022, 11:21:34 AM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry. The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed. I think it's best to leave this law intact. Atlasia has already made significant strides in combatting global warming, let's not turn back the clock.

Can you share the link for this "Public Works Administration"? Can you offer an amendment to this bill that protects employment for these workers or suggest a transition program?

I wouldnt worry as these people will just go back to their old jobs. This make work program was specifically for workers that Labor made unemployed by banning their jobs. This bill unbans their job. As far as transitioning Labor passed a bill giving like $30 or $40K in UBI to anyone making less than like $100K. I dont see why we need multiple welfare programs for the same workers when we are literally giving them their jobs back.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2022, 12:55:38 PM »

Amendment proposal:

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Section 1. Title

This Act shall be called the Cheaper Energy Helps the Poors Act.

Section 2. Red-Green Partial Repeal

1. Section V of The Red-Green New Deal Act is hereby repealed.

2.  A tax of 10% shall be applied on the profits of any petroleum oil or natural gas extracted in or imported into Atlasia.

Section 3. Enactment

This bill shall come into effect ten (10) days after the date of passage.
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2022, 01:23:27 PM »

Amendment proposal:

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Cheaper Energy Helps The Poors Act


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to boost domestic energy production to lower energy costs for working Atlasians


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Section 1. Title

This Act shall be called the Cheaper Energy Helps the Poors Act.

Section 2. Red-Green Partial Repeal

1. Section V of The Red-Green New Deal Act is hereby repealed.

2.  A tax of 10% shall be applied on the profits of any petroleum oil or natural gas extracted in or imported into Atlasia.

Section 3. Enactment

This bill shall come into effect ten (10) days after the date of passage.

Objection.

Sad but unsurprising to see that the Federalist Party are the puppets of Oil and Gas profiteers.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2022, 02:07:13 PM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry. The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed. I think it's best to leave this law intact. Atlasia has already made significant strides in combatting global warming, let's not turn back the clock.

Can you share the link for this "Public Works Administration"? Can you offer an amendment to this bill that protects employment for these workers or suggest a transition program?
Certainly:

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Section VI: Public Works

1. The Department Internal Affairs shall be instructed to create a New Public Works Administration

  a. The NPWA shall develop, administrate, maintain and oversee public building projects.

  b. The NPWA shall be led by the ranking officer for the Department of Internal Affairs.

    i. Shall there be no ranking officer for the Department Internal Affairs be vacant, these duties shall fall to the President of Atlasia.

2. The ranking officer for the Department Internal Affairs may appoint a board of NPCs to assist in the development of NPWA projects.

3. NPWA projects shall include

    a. Construction and Engineering

    b. Renewable Energy Development and Energy Efficiency Retrofitting

    c. Coding, Server Farms and Technological Development

    d. Sustainable Agriculture

    e. Civil Corps
 

4. All NPWA projects shall provide workers with the following.

  a. Pay equivalent to 10% above a "living wage" determined by residency.

  b. Full membership in a labor union.

  c. Employment benefits delegated per project.

5. The NPWA shall operate with an annual budget of $100 billion.

While the immediate purpose of the New Public Works Administration is to provide jobs to workers formerly in the oil and gas industry, it performs a number of other crucial functions:

1. It supports rural communities that do not directly benefit from oil and natural gas extraction, giving them an economic lifeline in a time of great uncertainty.

2. It provides jobs to former coal mining communities, many of which are suffering from mine closures due to economic circumstances beyond their control.

3. It benefits communities where oil and gas extraction is in decline. It may not be economically viable for companies to extract oil and gas from certain communities anymore, and the NPWA helps support those communities.

4. It helps offset the displacement already caused by private sector changes in the energy industry. Even if the Federal government were to repeal this act today, oil and gas consumption will decrease substantially over the coming decades. We must support these communities *before* their local economies takes a turn for the worse, not after.

As two of my colleagues have already offered amendments on this bill, I will let debate on their motions move forward first.
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2022, 02:44:22 PM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry. The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed. I think it's best to leave this law intact. Atlasia has already made significant strides in combatting global warming, let's not turn back the clock.

Can you share the link for this "Public Works Administration"? Can you offer an amendment to this bill that protects employment for these workers or suggest a transition program?
Certainly:

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Section VI: Public Works

1. The Department Internal Affairs shall be instructed to create a New Public Works Administration

  a. The NPWA shall develop, administrate, maintain and oversee public building projects.

  b. The NPWA shall be led by the ranking officer for the Department of Internal Affairs.

    i. Shall there be no ranking officer for the Department Internal Affairs be vacant, these duties shall fall to the President of Atlasia.

2. The ranking officer for the Department Internal Affairs may appoint a board of NPCs to assist in the development of NPWA projects.

3. NPWA projects shall include

    a. Construction and Engineering

    b. Renewable Energy Development and Energy Efficiency Retrofitting

    c. Coding, Server Farms and Technological Development

    d. Sustainable Agriculture

    e. Civil Corps
 

4. All NPWA projects shall provide workers with the following.

  a. Pay equivalent to 10% above a "living wage" determined by residency.

  b. Full membership in a labor union.

  c. Employment benefits delegated per project.

5. The NPWA shall operate with an annual budget of $100 billion.

While the immediate purpose of the New Public Works Administration is to provide jobs to workers formerly in the oil and gas industry, it performs a number of other crucial functions:

1. It supports rural communities that do not directly benefit from oil and natural gas extraction, giving them an economic lifeline in a time of great uncertainty.

2. It provides jobs to former coal mining communities, many of which are suffering from mine closures due to economic circumstances beyond their control.

3. It benefits communities where oil and gas extraction is in decline. It may not be economically viable for companies to extract oil and gas from certain communities anymore, and the NPWA helps support those communities.

4. It helps offset the displacement already caused by private sector changes in the energy industry. Even if the Federal government were to repeal this act today, oil and gas consumption will decrease substantially over the coming decades. We must support these communities *before* their local economies takes a turn for the worse, not after.

As two of my colleagues have already offered amendments on this bill, I will let debate on their motions move forward first.

Can we repeal the new great society act then? Because the red new deal and red society welfare programs are duplicative and overlap.
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2022, 07:14:30 PM »

Can we repeal the new great society act then? Because the red new deal and red society welfare programs are duplicative and overlap.
The New Great Society Act provides universal school breakfasts and lunches, infrastructure investment, pell grant expansion, and a tuition cap - there's very little overlap with the Red Green New Deal beyond some public works spending.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2022, 07:32:39 PM »

There is no evidence that gas prices in-game are high and given how well we handled the pandemic (and the fact there's no ongoing war in Europe), there's no reason to think they'd be as high as irl.

The Red-Green New Deal also does a lot more than just regulating the oil and gas industry. The New Public Works Administration provides jobs to hundreds of thousands of Atlasians and repealing this act would leave them unemployed. I think it's best to leave this law intact. Atlasia has already made significant strides in combatting global warming, let's not turn back the clock.

Can you share the link for this "Public Works Administration"? Can you offer an amendment to this bill that protects employment for these workers or suggest a transition program?
Certainly:

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Section VI: Public Works

1. The Department Internal Affairs shall be instructed to create a New Public Works Administration

  a. The NPWA shall develop, administrate, maintain and oversee public building projects.

  b. The NPWA shall be led by the ranking officer for the Department of Internal Affairs.

    i. Shall there be no ranking officer for the Department Internal Affairs be vacant, these duties shall fall to the President of Atlasia.

2. The ranking officer for the Department Internal Affairs may appoint a board of NPCs to assist in the development of NPWA projects.

3. NPWA projects shall include

    a. Construction and Engineering

    b. Renewable Energy Development and Energy Efficiency Retrofitting

    c. Coding, Server Farms and Technological Development

    d. Sustainable Agriculture

    e. Civil Corps
 

4. All NPWA projects shall provide workers with the following.

  a. Pay equivalent to 10% above a "living wage" determined by residency.

  b. Full membership in a labor union.

  c. Employment benefits delegated per project.

5. The NPWA shall operate with an annual budget of $100 billion.

While the immediate purpose of the New Public Works Administration is to provide jobs to workers formerly in the oil and gas industry, it performs a number of other crucial functions:

1. It supports rural communities that do not directly benefit from oil and natural gas extraction, giving them an economic lifeline in a time of great uncertainty.

2. It provides jobs to former coal mining communities, many of which are suffering from mine closures due to economic circumstances beyond their control.

3. It benefits communities where oil and gas extraction is in decline. It may not be economically viable for companies to extract oil and gas from certain communities anymore, and the NPWA helps support those communities.

4. It helps offset the displacement already caused by private sector changes in the energy industry. Even if the Federal government were to repeal this act today, oil and gas consumption will decrease substantially over the coming decades. We must support these communities *before* their local economies takes a turn for the worse, not after.

As two of my colleagues have already offered amendments on this bill, I will let debate on their motions move forward first.

Can we repeal the new great society act then? Because the red new deal and red society welfare programs are duplicative and overlap.

This might be a bridge too far.
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2022, 08:46:50 PM »

Atlasia has a moral and legal obligation to both our own citizens and the entire world to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions at least in line with meaningful targets. The Senate would be making a huge mistake if they abandoned this obligation.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2022, 11:06:00 PM »

Can we repeal the new great society act then? Because the red new deal and red society welfare programs are duplicative and overlap.
The New Great Society Act provides universal school breakfasts and lunches, infrastructure investment, pell grant expansion, and a tuition cap - there's very little overlap with the Red Green New Deal beyond some public works spending.



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AN ACT
To make investments in our country and expand essential social programs

...

1. Beginning in January of 2022, individual adults who have a disposable income of less than $100,000 shall be entitled to $2,000 monthly checks.

2. The income received shall not be taxed or counted toward existing benefits.

...

This says if an individual adult makes $99K a year she gets a $2K welfare check every month. $24K a year per individual adult who makes less than $100K. Tax free. This is nuts. It is also way more generous than some make work program that was only created because Labor killed 100K jobs and caused a recession by outlawing 60% of our energy ceding the market to Russia and the Saudis. WD keeps claiming there is high inflation and gas prices on Discord. Why wouldnt we repeal the ridiculous red new deal?
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