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« on: April 18, 2022, 07:11:58 PM »

Which state ought to be the first to hold a presidential primary or caucus, respectively, during primary season, if it were up to you?
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2022, 05:15:07 PM »

New Hampshire should retain the first-in-the-nation primary.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2022, 06:41:26 PM »
« Edited: April 22, 2022, 07:57:34 PM by Interlocutor »

I voted Nevada, but I wouldn't be opposed to Illinois going first.

I'm about done with Iowa though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2022, 12:10:33 AM »

NJ, though NH would probably insist on going first and get to continue going first.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2022, 06:38:10 PM »

Nevada would be perfect, and (with South Carolina a close second primary state) would more closely resemble the current makeup of the Democratic Party than either Iowa or New Hampshire while still being small enough for the retail politicking that enables less-established candidates to make themselves known to the electorate.    
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2022, 09:24:44 PM »

New Jersey is very representative of the party and is my home state, easy choice!
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2022, 12:06:03 AM »

New Jersey is very representative of the party and is my home state, easy choice!

Agree with the first half of the sentence, and as to the second, it could apply since I was born in NJ.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2022, 10:51:10 AM »

I continue to say that primaries should be nationwide.
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2022, 08:12:28 PM »

Bold take:

California. Literally every kind of demographic here, a myriad of local issues that can translate well into national issues for both parties and gets a huge delegate prize out of the way early.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2022, 07:33:57 PM »

I continue to say that primaries should be nationwide.

How would that work?
Would there still be delegates elected in a nationwide primary?
Of will it be a direct vote of the candidates instead? If so, with how many runoffs?
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2022, 12:56:02 AM »

I continue to say that primaries should be nationwide.

How would that work?
Would there still be delegates elected in a nationwide primary?
Of will it be a direct vote of the candidates instead? If so, with how many runoffs?

Direct vote with no runoff. Plurality candidate wins.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2022, 06:24:14 PM »

It needs to be a set of states (say 4-6) that go on the same day.

Early states basically start getting visits after the midterms. There is plenty of time to visit multiple states across the country. It's probably more fair this way if different regions of the country get to bigger say.

IA will/should probably lose its status but having IA/NH/NV/SC seems fairly representative.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2022, 06:12:46 PM »

New Jersey so I can work for someone’s campaign.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2022, 07:47:37 AM »

I'd prefer a nationwide STV primary. Candidates create a national list of delegates, and voters rank the candidates. Almost all delegates allocated proportionally, with the remaining handful dealt with as you would in STV.

The reason to keep delegates around is you still need a group of people to vote on and write a party platform/manifesto, and I'd prefer they be directly elected by their constituents, rather than have a vote by virtue of holding another office.

That being said, I voted for California because it's the largest state. If you can't have a nationwide primary, I'd say it should largely be in order of population.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2022, 08:26:16 PM »

Pennsylvania is an underrated choice.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2022, 02:16:37 PM »

Anyone who wants to be president should be forced to spend the entire winter in Alaska.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2022, 07:18:37 PM »

Anyone who wants to be president should be forced to spend the entire winter in Alaska.

That would be funny as well as ironic as even Obama didn't pay Alaska a flying visit on his 57-state journey around the USA.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2022, 11:01:59 PM »

I continue to say that primaries should be nationwide.

How would that work?
Would there still be delegates elected in a nationwide primary?
Of will it be a direct vote of the candidates instead? If so, with how many runoffs?

Direct vote with no runoff. Plurality candidate wins.

I can relate to the idea of selecting a presidential nominee through direct vote (instead of a delegation vote), but not without the option of a runoff.

Imagine what consequences would have followed for the 2016 GOP and the 2020 Democratic primaries; in both cases it would have resulted in a realistic scenario where either candidate might have won their respective nomination despite receiving less than 20% of the direct vote. No. Simply no! 🙅🏼‍♂️

Furthermore, a certain, essential flaw in the nomination process would cause quarrels between the state parties over who is eligible to cast a ballot: all citizens, or only party members? Currently, each state party (or state government, respectively) is able to determine if the primaries be close, semi-closed, or open.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2022, 01:42:13 AM »

I continue to say that primaries should be nationwide.

How would that work?
Would there still be delegates elected in a nationwide primary?
Of will it be a direct vote of the candidates instead? If so, with how many runoffs?

No delegates, direct vote. STV.
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2022, 11:43:28 PM »

Illinois. It's the closest state to the nation as a whole demographically speaking.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2022, 10:03:15 AM »
« Edited: September 10, 2022, 01:06:19 PM by MarkD »

Here is a suggestion I have talked about several times before on TE.

It would take a constitutional amendment to adopt the system I am suggesting.

Adopt an amendment that provides for the following rules: require all of the states and US territories to use presidential primaries from now on; no more caucuses. All states/territories will be prohibited from holding their primaries before April 1st, nor any later than June 30th. The New Hampshire law which says their primary must be the first in the country would be void; no state should be allowed to adopt a law that says "We're first."

Allow all of the states with 3 or 4 ECVs, and all of the US territories, to hold their primaries on any date in April, May, or June, but ONLY those states/territories are allowed to hold them in April. (This would include Alaska, American Samoa, Delaware, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands, Rhode Island, South Dakota, US Virgin Islands, Vermont, West Virginia,, and Wyoming. These may choose any date in April, but they are allowed to choose dates in May or June as well.)

Allow the states with 5 to 11 ECVs to hold their primaries in May or June, but ONLY those states, and the previous set of states/territories, to hold them in May. (This would include Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin. These can pick any date in May, or June if they wish.)

Make all of the states with the most population, 12 ECVs or more, wait until June. (This would include California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, and Washington. These can pick any date in June.)

In coming decades, after each census and reapportionment, some states might change to a different month, so the lists I have above might change.

The reason I prefer this system is because it would increase the likelihood of a "dark horse candidate" being able to compete via "retail politics," - candidates meeting voters personally, one-on-one - instead of having fund-raising and TV advertising as the most important attribute that determines who wins. Of course, I hope not ALL of the smallest states will pick the first Tuesday in April.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2022, 10:04:40 AM »

pennsylvania is the objectively best option
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