NYC vs Chicago: which is more liberal?

[King of Kensington]

FWIW in terms of Chicago's "all-American" character Illinois (dominated by Chicagoland) may come closest to matching the ethnic/racial composition of the US of any state.  Mexicans are by far the largest immigrant group, and the Asian population is pretty close to average in Chicagoland.  NYC of course has very atypical demographics.

[MRS. MEE SUM CHU]

Agree that NYC is more liberal, but not sure if those are the reasons – Chicago also has a higher share of whites and Latinos. I lean to NYC because it’s stronger in a set of industries (tech and media come to mind) that attract more liberal white-collar workers, while Chicago’s white-collar jobs seem to lean more relatively to RINO Tom types. Partially agree with your last point since NYC does draw more domestic migrants from the liberal Northeast vs the more conservative Midwest. Dunno if transit mode shares are relevant since there arguably metro areas out there that are more liberal and car-dependent than both NYC and Chicago.

(Though I feel like the actual key to answering this question is the differences in how liberal the cities’ black and Latino populations are because compositionally they are very, very different.)

ADOS + Mexicans =/= ADOS + Jamaicans + Puerto Ricans + Dominicans. My Atlas galaxy-brain impression is that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are more liberal than Mexicans are on the whole, but this is based on those groups swinging R by more from 2016-2020 and also having more of an Afro-Latino identity.

NYC proper being more Asian (and probably more disproportionately ethnic Chinese given the Asian breakdown within NY state) may also have some impact- whether by transplants, immigrants, and/or native-born locals.

Yeah, that’d be my intuition too but otoh a lot of the DSA alderman in Chicago seem to be Latinos, and both of the last two IL-05 are progressives so *shrug*. Agree that NYC having more Asians both in total and in proportion for pretty much all the subgroups matters a lot, but after overthinking Asian-American politics too much, still not sure if that makes the city more or less liberal overall lol.

Guess Rahm Emmanuel is a progressive then? (Don't know that much about him other than he's a controversial figure)

Not surprised the Mexican community in Chicago would be relatively progressive/DSA aligned, at least compared to the ADOS community and "white ethnics". Idk if NYC having more Asians in general (and also having a relatively diverse Chinese community as far as regional origin, socioeconomic level, and educational attainment are concerned) makes it more or less liberal, but it probably lowers the R ceiling in local and federal elections.

[seeking mystical annihilation]

Agree that NYC is more liberal, but not sure if those are the reasons – Chicago also has a higher share of whites and Latinos. I lean to NYC because it’s stronger in a set of industries (tech and media come to mind) that attract more liberal white-collar workers, while Chicago’s white-collar jobs seem to lean more relatively to RINO Tom types. Partially agree with your last point since NYC does draw more domestic migrants from the liberal Northeast vs the more conservative Midwest. Dunno if transit mode shares are relevant since there arguably metro areas out there that are more liberal and car-dependent than both NYC and Chicago.

(Though I feel like the actual key to answering this question is the differences in how liberal the cities’ black and Latino populations are because compositionally they are very, very different.)

ADOS + Mexicans =/= ADOS + Jamaicans + Puerto Ricans + Dominicans. My Atlas galaxy-brain impression is that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are more liberal than Mexicans are on the whole, but this is based on those groups swinging R by more from 2016-2020 and also having more of an Afro-Latino identity.

NYC proper being more Asian (and probably more disproportionately ethnic Chinese given the Asian breakdown within NY state) may also have some impact- whether by transplants, immigrants, and/or native-born locals.

Yeah, that’d be my intuition too but otoh a lot of the DSA alderman in Chicago seem to be Latinos, and both of the last two IL-05 are progressives so *shrug*. Agree that NYC having more Asians both in total and in proportion for pretty much all the subgroups matters a lot, but after overthinking Asian-American politics too much, still not sure if that makes the city more or less liberal overall lol.

Guess Rahm Emmanuel is a progressive then? (Don't know that much about him other than he's a controversial figure)

See also the coverage of Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby losing her primary the other week calling her a "progressive" or "reformist" and comparing her to Chesa Boudin or whatever when she was just craven and unideological and constantly shifting around to overcorrect for her own failures (most of what folks would call "progressive" about her approach, which except maybe for the de facto decriminalization of marijuana was really just choosing not to give a sh-t anymore, came only after she completely bungled the case against the officers implicated in Freddie Gray's death such that not only did they walk free but the Bronzists of the world saw them as victims and they countersued). Her replacement is a bit Bronzist himself for my liking and is already set to butt heads with Mayor Scott and the City Council more often than not, but at this point I'm willing to give him a chance to be Not Mosby.

[पिकाचु]

Agree that NYC is more liberal, but not sure if those are the reasons – Chicago also has a higher share of whites and Latinos. I lean to NYC because it’s stronger in a set of industries (tech and media come to mind) that attract more liberal white-collar workers, while Chicago’s white-collar jobs seem to lean more relatively to RINO Tom types. Partially agree with your last point since NYC does draw more domestic migrants from the liberal Northeast vs the more conservative Midwest. Dunno if transit mode shares are relevant since there arguably metro areas out there that are more liberal and car-dependent than both NYC and Chicago.

(Though I feel like the actual key to answering this question is the differences in how liberal the cities’ black and Latino populations are because compositionally they are very, very different.)

ADOS + Mexicans =/= ADOS + Jamaicans + Puerto Ricans + Dominicans. My Atlas galaxy-brain impression is that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are more liberal than Mexicans are on the whole, but this is based on those groups swinging R by more from 2016-2020 and also having more of an Afro-Latino identity.

NYC proper being more Asian (and probably more disproportionately ethnic Chinese given the Asian breakdown within NY state) may also have some impact- whether by transplants, immigrants, and/or native-born locals.

Yeah, that’d be my intuition too but otoh a lot of the DSA alderman in Chicago seem to be Latinos, and both of the last two IL-05 are progressives so *shrug*. Agree that NYC having more Asians both in total and in proportion for pretty much all the subgroups matters a lot, but after overthinking Asian-American politics too much, still not sure if that makes the city more or less liberal overall lol.

Guess Rahm Emmanuel is a progressive then? (Don't know that much about him other than he's a controversial figure)

Not surprised the Mexican community in Chicago would be relatively progressive/DSA aligned, at least compared to the ADOS community and "white ethnics". Idk if NYC having more Asians in general (and also having a relatively diverse Chinese community as far as regional origin, socioeconomic level, and educational attainment are concerned) makes it more or less liberal, but it probably lowers the R ceiling in local and federal elections.

Lol meant IL-04.

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