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« on: July 10, 2022, 08:57:03 PM »
« edited: July 10, 2022, 10:09:48 PM by Tiger08 »

Inspired by America Needs Jesus Christ's comments in the "least conservative Republican state" thread about Georgia being one of the most conservative feeling states even though it is actually a purple state. Here is my guess, even though I haven't been to most of these states. My rankings are mostly based on culture, not economics, since culture is the main factor determining feel.

NOTE: Edited my rankings

1. Vermont
2. Oregon
3. Washington
4. Massachusetts
5. California
6. Hawaii
7. Connecticut
8. Maryland
9. New York
10. Rhode Island
11. Colorado
12. Delaware
13. Illinois
14. Minnesota
15. New Hampshire
16. Maine
17. Alaska
18. Nevada
19. New Jersey
20. New Mexico
21. Virginia
22. Arizona
23. Pennsylvania
24. Wisconsin
25. Michigan
26. North Carolina
27. Florida
28. Ohio
29. Iowa
30. Kansas
31. Montana
32. Nebraska
33. Idaho
34. Georgia
35. Texas
36. Indiana
37. Missouri
38. Wyoming
39. Utah
40. South Carolina
41. Louisiana
42. Tennessee
43. Kentucky
44. South Dakota
45. North Dakota
46. Arkansas
47. Alabama
48. West Virginia
49. Oklahoma
50. Mississippi
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2022, 09:33:42 PM »

Here's my guess, based on a mixture of culture and what their 'bent' is. (For example, I associate the Mountain West with having a 'libertarian' bent and the Deep South as having a 'religious right' or 'authright' bent, making the former rank somewhat more left-leaning than the latter)

1   Vermont
2   Washington
3   Oregon
4   Massachusetts
5   Hawaii
6   Colorado
7   New York
8   Maine
9   California
10   Minnesota
11   New Hampshire
12   Illinois
13   Pennsylvania
14   Rhode Island
15   Maryland
16   Wisconsin
17   Delaware
18   Michigan
19   New Jersey
20   Nevada
21   Connecticut
22   Virginia
23   Montana
24   New Mexico
25   Arizona
26   Ohio
27   Alaska
28   Nebraska
29   North Dakota
30   Wyoming
31   Missouri
32   South Dakota
33   North Carolina
34   Utah
35   Idaho
36   Kansas
37   Georgia
38   Indiana
39   Iowa
40   South Carolina
41   Florida
42   Texas
43   Louisiana
44   Alabama
45   Kentucky
46   Tennessee
47   West Virginia
48   Mississippi
49   Arkansas
50   Oklahoma
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2022, 09:49:22 PM »

I decided to make a map, because why not.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2022, 06:19:20 AM »

I think this depends on whether you’re talking vibes when visiting the stage or vibes from the outsider perspective. I’ll give reactions to others’ lists/maps as a northerner:

-California I’d have at the leftmost of the list aside from maybe Washington and Oregon, even if Massachusetts and Vermont are actually more liberal than these places. California and the 3 combined make up a “left coast” perception

-Similarly, Texas I’d have farther right on the list because it’s the biggest and most famous red state so it’s viewed as a conservative hallmark. Also, I think the casual observer knows that it’s a fairly diverse state with tons of big cities so it gets an even stronger conservative perception from taking into account that it “should” be left leaning based on those facts

-North Carolina I’d have farther right, probably even to the right of Georgia. It also gives off rural Deep South vibes but probably wins that tiebreaker from being an actual pink state and not a purple state. I think a lot of northerners would have no idea that it’s more competitive than a state like South Carolina for example

-Wisconsin I’d certainly have to the right of the other rust belt states and probably one of the rightest Midwest/Great Lakes states. It has some cultural traits that give off conservative vibes (weed not legal, speeding tickets common in SE WI, many residents love hunting) that are a contrast from “liberal” Illinois. Of it’s characteristics, I think the red WOW/BOW counties is the most well known outside the state. A lot of people assume that the rurals are darker red and that Madison isn’t as influential as it is. People in Illinois think of IL as one blue metro in a sea of red between Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, (perceived) Iowa, and I think the fact that Wisconsin also borders IL contributes to it being grouped with those other states
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2022, 11:37:59 AM »

Vibes only. I always think of the West as being less truly conservative, placing Florida was the toughest cos its vibes are all over the place.

  • Vermont
  • Massachusetts
  • California
  • Hawaii
  • Washington
  • Maryland
  • Oregon
  • Rhode Island
  • New York
  • Minnesota
  • New Jersey
  • Connecticut
  • Maine
  • Colorado
  • Illinois
  • Delaware
  • Virginia
  • New Hampshire
  • New Mexico
  • Pennsylvania
  • Michigan
  • Nevada
  • Wisconsin
  • Arizona
  • Florida
  • Georgia
  • North Carolina
  • Iowa
  • Ohio
  • Montana
  • Alaska
  • Texas
  • Kansas
  • Indiana
  • Nebraska
  • South Dakota
  • South Carolina
  • North Dakota
  • Missouri
  • Utah
  • Louisiana
  • Idaho
  • Tennessee
  • Kentucky
  • Wyoming
  • West Virginia
  • Mississippi
  • Arkansas
  • Oklahoma
  • Alabama
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2022, 08:57:52 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2022, 04:39:20 PM by satsuma »

My perception isn't too different from some of the above. Vibes are real! Outsider's perspective on most of these coming from Louisiana and Texas.

1. Vermont
2. Oregon
3. California
4. Washington
5. Massachusetts
6. New York
7. Maryland
8. Hawaii
9. Minnesota
10. Colorado
11. New Jersey
12. Rhode Island
13. Illinois
14. Connecticut
15. New Mexico
16. Delaware
17. Michigan
18. Virginia
19. Maine
20. Nevada
21. New Hampshire
22. Pennsylvania
23. Wisconsin
24. Florida
25. Ohio
26. Iowa
27. North Carolina
28. Montana
29. Arizona
30. Georgia
31. Nebraska
32. Alaska
33. Texas
34. Indiana
35. Tennessee
36. Missouri
37. Kansas
38. West Virginia
39. Louisiana
40. North Dakota
41. South Carolina
42. South Dakota
43. Kentucky
44. Utah
45. Arkansas
46. Idaho
47. Oklahoma
48. Alabama
49. Wyoming
50. Mississippi

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2022, 09:48:05 PM »
« Edited: July 19, 2022, 11:28:41 PM by DT »

Vermont
Massachusetts
New York
California
Washington
Colorado
Oregon
Connecticut
Illinois
Delaware
Hawaii
Minnesota
Maryland
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Michigan
Wisconsin
New Mexico
Maine
Pennsylvania
Alaska
Iowa
New Hampshire
Montana
Nevada
Vriginia
Ohio
Arizona
Florida
North Carolina
Georgia
Kentucky
South Dakota
Indiana
West Virginia
Kansas
Missouri
Nebraska
Louisiana
North Dakota
South Carolina
Texas
Arkansas
Wyoming
Idaho
Mississippi
Alabama
Tennessee
Utah
Oklahoma
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2022, 12:12:48 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2022, 12:30:48 AM by Christian Man »

1. Vermont
2. Hawaii
3. Massachusetts
4. California
5. New York
6. Maryland
7.  Washington
8. Illinois
9. Oregon
10. Colorado
11. New Hampshire
12. Minnesota
13. Connecticut
14. Rhode Island
15. Delaware
16. New Jersey
17. Virginia
18. New Mexico
19. Maine
20. Michigan
21. Nevada
22. Pennsylvania
23. Arizona
24. Georgia
25. Wisconsin
26. Ohio
27. Alaska
28. Iowa
29. North Carolina
30. Florida
31. Texas  
32. West Virginia
33. Missouri
34. Montana
35. Indiana
36. South Carolina
37. Kansas
38. Utah
39. Nebraska
40. Kentucky
41. Louisiana
42. Tennessee
43. Idaho
44. South Dakota
45. North Dakota
46. Wyoming
47. Oklahoma
48. Mississippi
49. Arkansas
50. Alabama
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2022, 01:31:19 PM »

1. Massachusetts
2. Vermont
3. California
4. New York
5. Connecticut
6. Maryland
7. New Jersey
8. Rhode Island
9. Washington
10. Colorado
11. Oregon
12. Delaware
13. Hawaii
14. New Hampshire
15. Maine
16. Illinois
17. Nevada
18. New Mexico
19. Pennsylvania
20. Minnesota
21. Alaska
22. Michigan
23. Wisconsin
24. Virginia
25. Arizona
26. Florida
27. Utah
28. Iowa
29. Ohio
30. North Carolina
31. Georgia
32. Montana
33. Indiana
34. Kansas
35. Nebraska
36. South Carolina
37. Wyoming
38. West Virginia
39. Texas
40. Missouri
41. North Dakota
42. South Dakota
43. Kentucky
44. Louisiana
45. Arkansas
46. Alabama
47. Mississippi
48. Idaho
49. Oklahoma
50. Tennessee

I think the vote in the House on the marriage equality bill is a good indicator... A state like Texas feels very conservative/right, but in actuality it probably is much less so overall than it feels.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2022, 11:39:12 PM »

I think the vote in the House on the marriage equality bill is a good indicator... A state like Texas feels very conservative/right, but in actuality it probably is much less so overall than it feels.

The trouble with House votes (link) is they do come down to one person's feelings, though they risk hearing about their more controversial choices in the next election. While it would seem that SC is relatively moderate with 2 R yeas out of 6, Mace barely made it through the recent primaries and Rice lost by a lot.

While I didn't reference it for ranking, this poll result about approval of LGBTQ nondiscrimination (link)  is interesting, with NH > VT, UT for the top 3.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2022, 10:23:38 AM »

I think the vote in the House on the marriage equality bill is a good indicator... A state like Texas feels very conservative/right, but in actuality it probably is much less so overall than it feels.

The trouble with House votes (link) is they do come down to one person's feelings, though they risk hearing about their more controversial choices in the next election. While it would seem that SC is relatively moderate with 2 R yeas out of 6, Mace barely made it through the recent primaries and Rice lost by a lot.

While I didn't reference it for ranking, this poll result about approval of LGBTQ nondiscrimination (link)  is interesting, with NH > VT, UT for the top 3.

Utah's in the top 3 before MA?  That's a surprise.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2022, 01:50:22 PM »

I wonder how the states would rank if we considered taxes, labor law, Medicaid expansion, abortion and marijuana tolerance, equality, self-protection, the death penalty, and so forth.

How liberal or conservative are the states actually on policy?

I guess on reputation, I can probably sort into several buckets-

“Super hippie states”
Vermont, Massachusetts, Washington, Oregon, California, Hawaii

“Pretty Liberal”
Colorado, New York, Maryland, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Minnesota, Illinois

“Maybe a little liberal”
Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Maine, Delaware

“About 50/50”
Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, Iowa, Virginia

“Kind of conservative”
Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Alaska

“Really conservative”
Louisiana, Kansas, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Indiana, South Carolina

“Jeez…save some cousins for the rest of us”
Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 06:42:14 PM »

1. Vermont
2. Hawaii
3. California
4. New York
5. Massachusetts
6. Illinois
7. Oregon
8. Washington
9. Maryland
10. New Jersey
11. Connecticut
12. Rhode Island
13. Delaware
14. New Mexico
15. Colorado
16. Minnesota
17. Maine
18. Virginia
19. Nevada
20. Michigan
21. New Hampshire
22. Pennsylvania
23. Wisconsin
24. Arizona
25. Georgia
26. North Carolina
27. Florida
28. Alaska
29. Iowa
30. Ohio
31. Texas
32. Utah
33. Montana
34. Kansas
35. South Carolina
36. Nebraska
37. North Dakota
38. Indiana
39. South Dakota
40. Tennessee
41. Arkansas
42. Kentucky
43. Missouri
44. West Virginia
45. Oklahoma
46. Louisiana
47. Mississippi
48. Alabama
49. Wyoming
50. Idaho
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2022, 07:11:41 PM »
« Edited: August 06, 2022, 07:42:14 PM by BushKerry04 »

Overall
California
Hawaii
Washington
Nevada
New York
Vermont
Rhode Island
Massachusetts
Colorado
New Jersey
Connecticut
Maryland
Maine
Minnesota
New Hampshire
Delaware
Illinois
Utah
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Virginia
Michigan
Montana
Wisconsin
New Mexico
Oregon
Iowa
Georgia
Florida
Ohio
Texas
Tennessee
Indiana
Nebraska
Arizona
Louisiana
Alaska
Oklahoma
Wyoming
Idaho
Missouri
South Carolina
Kansas
North Dakota
South Dakota
Kentucky
West Virginia
Arkansas
Alabama
Mississippi

More detailed

Most for the free market
1. New Hampshire
2. Utah
3. Delaware
4. Tennessee
5. Idaho

Least for the free market
1. California
2. Washington
3. Alaska
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas

Most for personal freedoms
1. New Hampshire
2. Colorado
3. Utah
4. Vermont
5. Delaware

Least for personal freedoms
1. Texas
2. Mississippi
3. Alabama
4. Arkansas
5. Oklahoma

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2022, 02:07:47 PM »

Here is my approximate ranking, complete with a map. Based on vibes of course.

1. Vermont
2. Oregon
3. Rhode Island
4. Massachusetts
5. Washington
6. Minnesota
7. New York
8. Michigan
9. Wisconsin
10. Pennsylvania
11. West Virginia
12. Hawaii
13. Montana
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. Ohio
17. Iowa
18. Maryland
19. New Mexico
20. California
21. Nevada
22. Colorado
23. New Jersey
24. North Carolina
25. Missouri
26. Delaware
27. Arizona
28. Connecticut
29. Kentucky
30. Indiana
31. New Hampshire
32. Louisiana
33. Texas
34. Georgia
35. Virginia
36. Florida
37. Arkansas
38. Alaska
39. Kansas
40. Nebraska
41. South Dakota
42. North Dakota
43. Alabama
44. Tennessee
45. Utah
46. Mississippi
47. South Carolina
48. Oklahoma
49. Idaho
50. Wyoming

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2022, 10:56:00 PM »

What if I consider the Prosperity Gospel a severe heresy?
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2022, 11:46:39 PM »

What if I consider the Prosperity Gospel a severe heresy?

I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with this thread, but I would probably call that a liberal position with a conservative leaning vibe.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2022, 10:56:40 PM »

I think this depends on whether you’re talking vibes when visiting the stage or vibes from the outsider perspective. I’ll give reactions to others’ lists/maps as a northerner:

-California I’d have at the leftmost of the list aside from maybe Washington and Oregon, even if Massachusetts and Vermont are actually more liberal than these places. California and the 3 combined make up a “left coast” perception

-Similarly, Texas I’d have farther right on the list because it’s the biggest and most famous red state so it’s viewed as a conservative hallmark. Also, I think the casual observer knows that it’s a fairly diverse state with tons of big cities so it gets an even stronger conservative perception from taking into account that it “should” be left leaning based on those facts

-North Carolina I’d have farther right, probably even to the right of Georgia. It also gives off rural Deep South vibes but probably wins that tiebreaker from being an actual pink state and not a purple state. I think a lot of northerners would have no idea that it’s more competitive than a state like South Carolina for example

-Wisconsin I’d certainly have to the right of the other rust belt states and probably one of the rightest Midwest/Great Lakes states. It has some cultural traits that give off conservative vibes (weed not legal, speeding tickets common in SE WI, many residents love hunting) that are a contrast from “liberal” Illinois. Of it’s characteristics, I think the red WOW/BOW counties is the most well known outside the state. A lot of people assume that the rurals are darker red and that Madison isn’t as influential as it is. People in Illinois think of IL as one blue metro in a sea of red between Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, (perceived) Iowa, and I think the fact that Wisconsin also borders IL contributes to it being grouped with those other states

1. Coastal California definitely feels more liberal than any of the Northeast cities.
2. Texas feels conservative, but also distinctly libertarian compared to the rest of the South
3. Oklahoma feels extremely conservative, almost like you just woke up in the mid 20th century. 
4. VA/NC/GA all feel at least one category more conservative than they actually vote, probably due to their aristocratic past.  North Carolina on the whole does not strike me as any less conservative than Tennessee.
5. Florida feels a lot more liberal/Northeast than it actually votes.  Seeing it vote right of Georgia is just bizarre from a vibes perspective.     
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2022, 07:45:06 AM »

Here is my approximate ranking, complete with a map. Based on vibes of course.

1. Vermont
2. Oregon
3. Rhode Island
4. Massachusetts
5. Washington
6. Minnesota
7. New York
8. Michigan
9. Wisconsin
10. Pennsylvania
11. West Virginia
12. Hawaii
13. Montana
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. Ohio
17. Iowa
18. Maryland
19. New Mexico
20. California
21. Nevada
22. Colorado
23. New Jersey
24. North Carolina
25. Missouri
26. Delaware
27. Arizona
28. Connecticut
29. Kentucky
30. Indiana
31. New Hampshire
32. Louisiana
33. Texas
34. Georgia
35. Virginia
36. Florida
37. Arkansas
38. Alaska
39. Kansas
40. Nebraska
41. South Dakota
42. North Dakota
43. Alabama
44. Tennessee
45. Utah
46. Mississippi
47. South Carolina
48. Oklahoma
49. Idaho
50. Wyoming


Hands down, Florida not only feels more conservative than Kentucky on economics but probably actually is, Florida has a very low tax-pro capitalism feel to it. On social issues, especially in regards to sexuality, there’s a very open mindedness I’ve felt in Florida, even on the south west gulf than in most places in Kentucky.
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2022, 03:13:04 PM »

Here is my approximate ranking, complete with a map. Based on vibes of course.

1. Vermont
2. Oregon
3. Rhode Island
4. Massachusetts
5. Washington
6. Minnesota
7. New York
8. Michigan
9. Wisconsin
10. Pennsylvania
11. West Virginia
12. Hawaii
13. Montana
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. Ohio
17. Iowa
18. Maryland
19. New Mexico
20. California
21. Nevada
22. Colorado
23. New Jersey
24. North Carolina
25. Missouri
26. Delaware
27. Arizona
28. Connecticut
29. Kentucky
30. Indiana
31. New Hampshire
32. Louisiana
33. Texas
34. Georgia
35. Virginia
36. Florida
37. Arkansas
38. Alaska
39. Kansas
40. Nebraska
41. South Dakota
42. North Dakota
43. Alabama
44. Tennessee
45. Utah
46. Mississippi
47. South Carolina
48. Oklahoma
49. Idaho
50. Wyoming


Hands down, Florida not only feels more conservative than Kentucky on economics but probably actually is, Florida has a very low tax-pro capitalism feel to it. On social issues, especially in regards to sexuality, there’s a very open mindedness I’ve felt in Florida, even on the south west gulf than in most places in Kentucky.

I think you are overemphasizing labor issues way too much for the modern era. 
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2022, 01:03:30 PM »

Here is my approximate ranking, complete with a map. Based on vibes of course.

1. Vermont
2. Oregon
3. Rhode Island
4. Massachusetts
5. Washington
6. Minnesota
7. New York
8. Michigan
9. Wisconsin
10. Pennsylvania
11. West Virginia
12. Hawaii
13. Montana
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. Ohio
17. Iowa
18. Maryland
19. New Mexico
20. California
21. Nevada
22. Colorado
23. New Jersey
24. North Carolina
25. Missouri
26. Delaware
27. Arizona
28. Connecticut
29. Kentucky
30. Indiana
31. New Hampshire
32. Louisiana
33. Texas
34. Georgia
35. Virginia
36. Florida
37. Arkansas
38. Alaska
39. Kansas
40. Nebraska
41. South Dakota
42. North Dakota
43. Alabama
44. Tennessee
45. Utah
46. Mississippi
47. South Carolina
48. Oklahoma
49. Idaho
50. Wyoming


Great job, and I agree almost 100%. But NE doesnt feel as conservative as that to me. Some parts of it kind of feel like a mini MN in the making actually. And the Mormon states are a different type of conservative of course.

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