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« Reply #200 on: July 12, 2022, 07:55:11 AM »
« edited: July 12, 2022, 09:23:57 AM by Lord Halifax »

Priti Patel is not standing. She hasn't endorsed anyone, but says she'll be 'listening to cases being put forward by candidates'.

Good news for Braverman I suppose.
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« Reply #201 on: July 12, 2022, 08:21:40 AM »

Badenoch seems the dream Labour candidate. She is completely obsessed with culture wars (many not even our own!) and doesn’t even make up for it with some moderation on other issues eg; public services spending. If she wins then there’s a not insignificant chance she spends the 2024 leaders debate ranting about how Starmer will abolish the police and call people Latinx.
How many seats would the tories hold after that ?
A lot fewer than they do now!

But seriously, if they not only do not address the cost of living crisis (and other problems eg; the NHS is in its worst state and it’s the middle of summer!) but actively seem to not even care about these issues, then a 1997 style result is likely.
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« Reply #202 on: July 12, 2022, 08:55:11 AM »

Badenoch seems the dream Labour candidate. She is completely obsessed with culture wars (many not even our own!) and doesn’t even make up for it with some moderation on other issues eg; public services spending. If she wins then there’s a not insignificant chance she spends the 2024 leaders debate ranting about how Starmer will abolish the police and call people Latinx.

She also used to work at Coutts!
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« Reply #203 on: July 12, 2022, 09:16:41 AM »

Badenoch seems the dream Labour candidate. She is completely obsessed with culture wars (many not even our own!) and doesn’t even make up for it with some moderation on other issues eg; public services spending. If she wins then there’s a not insignificant chance she spends the 2024 leaders debate ranting about how Starmer will abolish the police and call people Latinx.

Her only government experience has been as a very junior minister, and being sent out regularly to defend the Government on various equalities issues- most notably the now debunked and discredited Sewell Report.

I have been surprised she has done as well as she has but there is always someone who does well during a leadership contest & she will no doubt expect a cabinet position now- which imo was the likely aim of her bid.
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« Reply #204 on: July 12, 2022, 09:20:37 AM »

Badenoch seems the dream Labour candidate. She is completely obsessed with culture wars (many not even our own!) and doesn’t even make up for it with some moderation on other issues eg; public services spending. If she wins then there’s a not insignificant chance she spends the 2024 leaders debate ranting about how Starmer will abolish the police and call people Latinx.

Her only government experience has been as a very junior minister, and being sent out regularly to defend the Government on various equalities issues- most notably the now debunked and discredited Sewell Report.

I have been surprised she has done as well as she has but there is always someone who does well during a leadership contest & she will no doubt expect a cabinet position now- which imo was the likely aim of her bid.


Badenoch has “comes 4th in the leadership contest, becomes a terrible Education Secretary, gets sacked and is never heard from again” vibes.
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« Reply #205 on: July 12, 2022, 09:22:34 AM »

Rumours that Gove is backing Badenoch in order to get her through the early rounds & to stop Truss monopolising the right- because he is actually backing Sunak.

I do wonder if perhaps he has just decided to stop- the man has been living for intrigue and drama for nearly 20 years, has held 5 different positions, has been sacked three times while to his credit being liked by various stakeholders in his departments.

He really needs a break.  
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« Reply #206 on: July 12, 2022, 09:25:27 AM »

Badenoch has “comes 4th in the leadership contest, becomes a terrible Education Secretary, gets sacked and is never heard from again” vibes.

Andrea Leadsom, Matt Hancock, there’s always someone who ends up on that path.

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« Reply #207 on: July 12, 2022, 09:47:44 AM »

With Shapps out and Patel never in, they're down to 10.  Presumably nobody thinks Chishti is going to qualify, so that's 9.  Sunak, Mordaunt, Truss and Tugendhat have the number they need already, so what about the others?  By Wikipedia's count Badenoch has 18, Hunt 16, Zahawi 15, Braverman 13 and Javid 12; I suspect the last couple at least are in trouble.

Quite a few MPs said they'd endorse Patel; what's happened to these votes?
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« Reply #208 on: July 12, 2022, 10:02:18 AM »

Kemi Badenoch also claimed that her experience growing up in Nigeria showed her that socialism is a failure. I'm unsure which Nigerian leader she thinks was a socialist.

Some very online types (and Julie Burchill, who was of course a prototype for them in so many ways) really are getting unhealthily excited about her.
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« Reply #209 on: July 12, 2022, 11:10:29 AM »

Braverman, Hunt and Zahawi all have the 20 nominations, apparently.

EDIT: and Badenoch.  So just waiting on Javid (and Chishti).
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« Reply #210 on: July 12, 2022, 11:33:19 AM »
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Chishti and Javid both out:

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« Reply #211 on: July 12, 2022, 11:59:07 AM »

Kemi Badenoch has announced her candidacy, presumably for people who thought Suella ‘cultural Marxism’ Braverman was too soft on the cultural wars.

For the sort of voter who doesn't want to see gender neutral toilets when they visit their foodbank.

Life imitates art.



These are self contained toilets btw.
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« Reply #212 on: July 12, 2022, 12:00:22 PM »

Too bad Shapps is out, because now he won't get to be portrayed by this guy:

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« Reply #213 on: July 12, 2022, 12:01:46 PM »

He's at it again.

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« Reply #214 on: July 12, 2022, 12:04:33 PM »

I think it is becoming quite clear that Truss will eventually be the candidate of the right. We'll have a better idea tomorrow but if Patel backs Truss and Truss can get Badenoch and Braverman behind her once they're knocked out then she has a reasonable chance of getting to the last round, provided Sunak does not "loan" Tugendhat a few MPs so that he can face Tugendhat in the final round. Fwiw I think Sunak will definitely do this if he has enough MPs to spare. Boris is said to have done it last time round to stop Gove from getting to the final round by loaning Hunt some MPs.

Sunak will obviously want to face somebody to his left in the final round, therefore not Mordaunt or Truss.
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« Reply #215 on: July 12, 2022, 12:05:37 PM »

Brady has just announced the list for the first ballot, and all the remaining 8 have made it.

Badenoch
Braverman
Hunt
Mordaunt
Sunak
Truss
Tugendhat
Zahawi
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« Reply #216 on: July 12, 2022, 12:09:13 PM »

He's at it again.



Williamson is rightly considered incompetent, but he does understand the parliamentary Conservative party better than anyone. Sunak would do well to appoint him as Chief Whip again if he wins.
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« Reply #217 on: July 12, 2022, 12:14:34 PM »

In hindsight perhaps Javid should have backed Rishi- it was obvious on Sunday he was struggling for nominations from people who weren’t his friends or allies.
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« Reply #218 on: July 12, 2022, 12:34:47 PM »

In hindsight perhaps Javid should have backed Rishi- it was obvious on Sunday he was struggling for nominations from people who weren’t his friends or allies.

On a personal level, it would have been pretty galling to go to Sunak and offer support when he was Javid’s deputy & successor at the Treasury.
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« Reply #219 on: July 12, 2022, 12:48:34 PM »

Brady has just announced the list for the first ballot, and all the remaining 8 have made it.

Badenoch
Braverman
Hunt
Mordaunt
Sunak
Truss
Tugendhat
Zahawi

Do we have figures or just names of candidates from to-day's episode of The Apprentice who were not fired?
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« Reply #220 on: July 12, 2022, 12:50:55 PM »

In hindsight perhaps Javid should have backed Rishi- it was obvious on Sunday he was struggling for nominations from people who weren’t his friends or allies.

On a personal level, it would have been pretty galling to go to Sunak and offer support when he was Javid’s deputy & successor at the Treasury.

This process inevitably leaves a lot of big noises galled and humiliated.
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« Reply #221 on: July 13, 2022, 12:13:50 AM »

Truss seems like continuation Boris. Rishi Sunak seems like he wouldn’t be the best choice given he doesn’t seem to be an exactly popular figure. Sunak probably one of the only ones who would guarantee a Labor election victory. The Tories must want that?
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« Reply #222 on: July 13, 2022, 02:19:51 AM »

Truss seems like continuation Boris. Rishi Sunak seems like he wouldn’t be the best choice given he doesn’t seem to be an exactly popular figure. Sunak probably one of the only ones who would guarantee a Labor election victory. The Tories must want that?

Would Truss really be any better than Sunak in that regard? Given how toxic Boris has become, her proximity to him seems like a huge drag in a general election.
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« Reply #223 on: July 13, 2022, 02:25:54 AM »

Truss seems like continuation Boris. Rishi Sunak seems like he wouldn’t be the best choice given he doesn’t seem to be an exactly popular figure. Sunak probably one of the only ones who would guarantee a Labor election victory. The Tories must want that?

I don't think the result of this will have much impact on the next Australian election. Smiley
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« Reply #224 on: July 13, 2022, 02:58:50 AM »

Truss seems like continuation Boris. Rishi Sunak seems like he wouldn’t be the best choice given he doesn’t seem to be an exactly popular figure. Sunak probably one of the only ones who would guarantee a Labor election victory. The Tories must want that?

Would Truss really be any better than Sunak in that regard? Given how toxic Boris has become, her proximity to him seems like a huge drag in a general election.

It’s not the proximity with Boris that’s the issue, rather that she appeals to only a narrow base and is generally comes across as a bit of a weird sociopath? I mean all tory MPs are weird sociopaths but with Truss it comes across strongly.
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