6 Killed, 38+ Injured after Shooting at Highland Park, IL 7/4 Parade (UPDATE: shooter in custody)

[PSOL]

He shouldn't have been sold those guns, but he also shouldn't have even been allowed to bumble around the streets of this country. He was clearly a deranged man, eager to kill. Why was he not thrown into an institution?

That's another common thread that runs through all these mass shootings. The killer is almost always someone who everyone around him knows is violently crazy, but nothing happens about it.

If we locked-up everyone who seemed deranged in this country, we'd have to build Stalinist gulags covering the entire span of the Dakotas to contain them. In any case, who is deranged and why should I trust you or anyone else to be the judge of that?

I don't have an answer, and I certainly don't want to subject every unwell or angry person to a nightmarish One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest experience. I'm pointing out that maybe people who have repeatedly acted like lunatics and have demonstrated an intense, sadistic desire to kill innocent people shouldn't be left to wander around aimlessly until they start killing people. I'm not saying they should go to jail, I'm just saying they need some kind of intervention.

Almost immediately some type of program like this would be abused and you’ll see a lot of people locked up for trivial reasons.

[DaleCooper]

He shouldn't have been sold those guns, but he also shouldn't have even been allowed to bumble around the streets of this country. He was clearly a deranged man, eager to kill. Why was he not thrown into an institution?

That's another common thread that runs through all these mass shootings. The killer is almost always someone who everyone around him knows is violently crazy, but nothing happens about it.

If we locked-up everyone who seemed deranged in this country, we'd have to build Stalinist gulags covering the entire span of the Dakotas to contain them. In any case, who is deranged and why should I trust you or anyone else to be the judge of that?

I don't have an answer, and I certainly don't want to subject every unwell or angry person to a nightmarish One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest experience. I'm pointing out that maybe people who have repeatedly acted like lunatics and have demonstrated an intense, sadistic desire to kill innocent people shouldn't be left to wander around aimlessly until they start killing people. I'm not saying they should go to jail, I'm just saying they need some kind of intervention.

Almost immediately some type of program like this would be abused and you’ll see a lot of people locked up for trivial reasons.

Fair enough, but if we're not going to control guns or treat crazies then there's no way out of these mass shootings. I desperately want to see America embrace family again and encourage community and togetherness like we used to, but there's way too much profit and power incentives in making sure everybody is as scared, angry, and lonely as possible   

[ProudModerate2]

These are the lives lost from the July Fourth parade mass shooting.

See images and read short bios, of the people who died.

https://us.cnn.com/2022/07/05/us/victims-highland-park-illinois-shooting-fourth-of-july/index.html

[PSOL]

He shouldn't have been sold those guns, but he also shouldn't have even been allowed to bumble around the streets of this country. He was clearly a deranged man, eager to kill. Why was he not thrown into an institution?

That's another common thread that runs through all these mass shootings. The killer is almost always someone who everyone around him knows is violently crazy, but nothing happens about it.

If we locked-up everyone who seemed deranged in this country, we'd have to build Stalinist gulags covering the entire span of the Dakotas to contain them. In any case, who is deranged and why should I trust you or anyone else to be the judge of that?

I don't have an answer, and I certainly don't want to subject every unwell or angry person to a nightmarish One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest experience. I'm pointing out that maybe people who have repeatedly acted like lunatics and have demonstrated an intense, sadistic desire to kill innocent people shouldn't be left to wander around aimlessly until they start killing people. I'm not saying they should go to jail, I'm just saying they need some kind of intervention.

Almost immediately some type of program like this would be abused and you’ll see a lot of people locked up for trivial reasons.

Fair enough, but if we're not going to control guns or treat crazies then there's no way out of these mass shootings. I desperately want to see America embrace family again and encourage community and togetherness like we used to, but there's way too much profit and power incentives in making sure everybody is as scared, angry, and lonely as possible   

The thing is most “crazies” are at risk of violence from normal society than being perpetrators. This shooter has no markers of being mentally ill and grew up as a spoiled suburban dweeb.

There is a profit incentive to keep people miserable, but it is mostly a common byproduct of our current means of production. Unless that goes and the number of dweebs from middle class neighborhoods looking for attention becomes a nonfactor, we will always deal with this threat.

[GoTfan]

I'm glad we don't have an NRA here in Australia.

I don't like John Howard one bit, but he had the guts to put the National Firearms Agreement into action.