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« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2022, 05:52:22 PM »

Woodrow Wilson said this better and again, that legacy is something that will transcend generations. What good is anything we do at home if we are at the mercy of tyrants?
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« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2022, 05:58:46 PM »

Democrat Try Not To Loose Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
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« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2022, 06:58:25 PM »

Who cares? Find something real to worry about and stop being paranoid.
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« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2022, 04:32:13 AM »

The issue isn't the liberal part it's the world order part

Is it?

Again, we're seeing right now what a lack of world order looks like. It's not pretty.

For most people in the US, "world order" is a term most often associated with neo-Nazis and their like, so in that context it was terrible phrasing

I know. These people are dumb and shouldn't get to define terms gor the rest of us
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« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2022, 11:51:17 AM »

Scaring people about a "world order" is exactly what the neoliberals want. Because they know that as long as they can fool people into believing that national sovereignty is sacrosanct then they will always be able to game the system by playing those nation states against each other to the loss of everyone and the ever accelerating retreat of democracy.
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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2022, 01:23:57 PM »

Scaring people about a "world order" is exactly what the neoliberals want. Because they know that as long as they can fool people into believing that national sovereignty is sacrosanct then they will always be able to game the system by playing those nation states against each other to the loss of everyone and the ever accelerating retreat of democracy.

Huh?

Freaking out about a "world order" is usually a by word for people to have hysterics about supranational forms of governance. The jist of this thread being a demonstration of that.
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« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2022, 02:11:04 PM »

The people whining about this would decry adverts for war bonds during WWII as Stalinism. What exactly do you think we were fighting for?

Americans have brain rot from 24/7 cable news that wasn't the case during WWII, that needs taken into consideration.
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« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2022, 02:26:15 PM »

Scaring people about a "world order" is exactly what the neoliberals want. Because they know that as long as they can fool people into believing that national sovereignty is sacrosanct then they will always be able to game the system by playing those nation states against each other to the loss of everyone and the ever accelerating retreat of democracy.

Huh?

Freaking out about a "world order" is usually a by word for people to have hysterics about supranational forms of governance. The jist of this thread being a demonstration of that.

I mean, I would agree. I just found your prior statement...oddly expansive and conspiratorial. And I think describing the retreat of democracy as "ever accelerating" is hyperbolic.

Well democracy is retreating in part down to the factors we have seen across the world; but also down to the reduced capacity of states to act in the face of the, well, the sorts of power relations that have emerged out of neoliberal globalisation as it has happened up until now. In that for all that talking of an accelerating democratic retreat seems hyperbolic, it is sadly sort of what we are experiencing at the moment.

The rest of the post was, well, sarcastic in so far as it was meant to be a ripost to the sort of conspitorial "new world order" being directed by a secret cabal of elites stuff that is pushed by the far right. When really, if you think about it, if there was some secretive economic elite they would have a much bigger incentive to stop democratic states from collaborating in a way that might actually restrict their power (and yes, I know the reality of why the model of globalisation and economic policy that we have actually experienced has occured as it has is a lot more complex - but that would turn a one paragraph post into a whole essay).
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