Newsom/Hochul vs. DeSantis/Abbott

[Alben Barkley]

The governors of the four largest states make up the two tickets in 2024.

What happens?

[GregTheGreat657]

[NewYorkExpress]

Reversing the Democratic might be a winner in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin.

Newsom atop the ticket actively hurts Democrats in most battleground states.

[Alben Barkley]

Reversing the Democratic might be a winner in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin.

Newsom atop the ticket actively hurts Democrats in most battleground states.

You think Hochul could win Ohio? Or even outperform Newsom?

I doubt it. If Scranton Joe couldn’t even get much of a boost in the rust belt, I fail to see how Hochul being from Buffalo would help her much.

[President Johnson]

[Alben Barkley]

I knew you would love this ticket!

[LAKISYLVANIA]

The governors of New York & California, an absolute guaranteed way to be destroyed in the majority of swing states, especially the rust belt swing states. Good thinking, just give DeSantis the perfect cross to attack the DEMS on them being elitist and no longer for the working class people. DeSantis easily would cruise to a victory.

We're better off with Biden, even with these approval ratings.

[Alben Barkley]

The governors of New York & California, an absolute guaranteed way to be destroyed in the majority of swing states, especially the rust belt swing states. Good thinking, just give DeSantis the perfect cross to attack the DEMS on them being elitist and no longer for the working class people. DeSantis easily would cruise to a victory.

We're better off with Biden, even with these approval ratings.

Are you implying there are no working class people in New York or California? I’d wager there are probably more in those two states combined than many of the nation’s red states combined…

Hell, Hochul comes from a classic working class town/region and (like Biden) went to Syracuse. DeSantis was raised in a ritzy part of Florida, attended private schools as a kid and then Yale. Who’s the “elitist” there again?

Of course Trump was the ultimate “elitist” and yet ran as a populist, so that just goes to show it’s much more about how you sell yourself than who you actually are in politics.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Newsom isn't running until 2028, not 2024

[LostInOhio]

Newsom isn't running until 2028, not 2024

Agreed. If Biden loses in ‘24 I predict he will be at the top of the ticket in ‘28.

I think he will soon become the Democrat’s version of DeSantis. And I think if Biden loses the Democrats will be looking for more of a “fighter” and I have seen him striking an increasingly more populist tone as of late.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

The governors of New York & California, an absolute guaranteed way to be destroyed in the majority of swing states, especially the rust belt swing states. Good thinking, just give DeSantis the perfect cross to attack the DEMS on them being elitist and no longer for the working class people. DeSantis easily would cruise to a victory.

We're better off with Biden, even with these approval ratings.

Are you implying there are no working class people in New York or California? I’d wager there are probably more in those two states combined than many of the nation’s red states combined…

Hell, Hochul comes from a classic working class town/region and (like Biden) went to Syracuse. DeSantis was raised in a ritzy part of Florida, attended private schools as a kid and then Yale. Who’s the “elitist” there again?

Of course Trump was the ultimate “elitist” and yet ran as a populist, so that just goes to show it’s much more about how you sell yourself than who you actually are in politics.

I'm not arguing against that. Sure, how one sells theirselves matters, but how one will be seen as does matter in an election, regardless of who that person actually is.

Also, sure New York and California has more working class people than lots of other states. They're among the biggest states in the United States.

[Sir Mohamed]

Reversing the Democratic might be a winner in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin.

Newsom atop the ticket actively hurts Democrats in most battleground states.

Evidence? Newsom for sure is a charismatic figure and being from a safe state doesn't automatically make him out of touch. He could still run as kind of an outsider, having never served in DC and having been a businessman before.

It's also unclear whether DeSantis can appeal to the same WWC voters and turn them out as Trump did.

The election itsself starts as tossup, imho, and would most likely be decided by factors we can just estimate at this point in time. That said, I think Newsom would do well in a debate and appear vibrant and sharp.

Abbott would be a poor VP choice, imho. Hochul would be a formidable one. Both DeSantis and Newsom would most likely pick someone else if nominated.

[Canis]

This is where id put it now. Basically a 2020 redux. Newsom/Hochul would actually be a pretty decent ticket I think it would be stronger than Biden Harris rn.