bad month to be a female property owner in NY state

[dead0man]

Queens woman was arrested for trying to keep squatters out of her home by changing the locks — she was reportedly charged with 'unlawful eviction'

New York's squatter's rights laws have once again become the focus of public attention.

Adele Andaloro inherited her family’s home in Flushing, Queens after her parents passed away. As she was preparing to sell the property, squatters took over, installing a new front door and changing the locks, effectively locking her out of her childhood home.

Andaloro expressed her frustration to ABC7 New York's Eyewitness News, stating, “I'm really fearful that these people are going to get away with stealing my home.”

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“They've called the police on me and I've called the locksmith," Andaloro said. "We didn't come in illegally, the door was open."

Police arrived and interviewed the men, who could not provide documentation to show that they had been there for more than 30 days. One man was taken away in handcuffs and the other was escorted off the property.

But that’s not the end of the story.

Before the police left, they warned the homeowner about changing the locks.

“I may end up in handcuffs today if a man shows up here and says I have illegally evicted him,” Andaloro said.

Despite the warning, Andaloro proceeded to change the locks. Shortly thereafter, another man, accompanied by the previously escorted squatter, forced entry into the house.

“Do you see this? This guy just literally broke down my door, broke through myself and my daughter," a distraught Andaloro said.

Police showed up again, arresting Andaloro for unlawful eviction.

Suspected squatters arrested in Pennsylvania in murder of NYC woman

Her body was found in a duffel bag in a closet at a 19th floor apartment on 31st Street in Manhattan's Kips Bay neighborhood back on March 14. The medical examiner ruled her death a homicide due to blunt force trauma to the head. 

Her son made the discovery after coming to check on her because he hadn't heard from her. 

An NYPD source said it's alleged that Tejada and Alston were squatting in the apartment when Vitels showed up to move either herself or someone else in. 

Sources say the two suspects were seen on surveillance video in the building and outside stealing Vitels' car from the street, where it was parked. 

The vehicle was traced to New Jersey and then Pennsylvania, where it was involved in an accident on March 13. According to authorities, Alston, who was allegedly driving Vitels' Lexus at the time of the crash, initially gave officers responding to the crash a fake name.

I wonder what our many landlord haters think about this

[Skill and Chance]

There needs to be an appropriate balance between tenants and landlords.  On one end of the crazy spectrum, you have modern day NYC.  On the other end of the crazy spectrum, you have Mississippi sharecroppers in the 1920's.  Both are messed up.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This kind of thing isn't compatible with a free, stable society, because it can easily be weaponized by bad actors. NY isn't even the worst when it comes to this.

[AGA]

Why anyone would want to be a landlord in a blue state is beyond me.

[lfromnj]

Why anyone would want to be a landlord in a blue state is beyond me.

Not even really a landlord, she was trying to sell the property here.

[Electric Circus]

Why anyone would want to be a landlord in a blue state is beyond me.

There aren't enough, which is one reason why many of the people who were once difficult tenants are now living in homeless encampments.

[AGA]

Why anyone would want to be a landlord in a blue state is beyond me.

Not even really a landlord, she was trying to sell the property here.

I know, but these laws affect landlords too.

[Joe Republic]

I wonder what our many landlord haters think about this

I like to think of my view of landlords the same way that I view corporations.  Sure, they have a right to exist in a capitalist economy, and they are necessary in order to provide the working classes with the things they need to live (i.e. a home / a job / stuff to buy etc.)

But just like how corporations also need to be regulated to ensure that they don't exploit every last resource available to them - or exploit the leverage they possess in providing those same basic needs to the working class - in order to maximize their income; so do landlords.

No, this does not mean that landlords or the owners of big corporations should have their tenants/workers overthrow them or murder them.

[dead0man]

I wonder what our many landlord haters think about this

I like to think of my view of landlords the same way that I view corporations.  Sure, they have a right to exist in a capitalist economy, and they are necessary in order to provide the working classes with the things they need to live (i.e. a home / a job / stuff to buy etc.)

But just like how corporations also need to be regulated to ensure that they don't exploit every last resource available to them - or exploit the leverage they possess in providing those same basic needs to the working class - in order to maximize their income; so do landlords.

No, this does not mean that landlords or the owners of big corporations should have their tenants/workers overthrow them or murder them.

do you think they are over regulated in places like NY and CA?  Where we draw the line, as is often the case, is the entire argument.  I believe most sane people don't think a woman should be arrested for changing the locks on a home she owns and has never rented to anyone because some assholes broke in and have been living there for a few weeks.  It shouldn't take two years to evict a bad tenant.  Yes, there are bad landlords, and renters shouldn't have to pay if the plumbing and heat don't work.  But yet these bad landlords somehow seem to exist even in NY state with their excessive regulations.

[Joe Republic]

To be clear; what happened in these two stories is bad.  Property theft and murder are bad.  The government should not be in the business of enabling either activity from continuing to happen.

[Gustaf]

I wonder what our many landlord haters think about this

I like to think of my view of landlords the same way that I view corporations.  Sure, they have a right to exist in a capitalist economy, and they are necessary in order to provide the working classes with the things they need to live (i.e. a home / a job / stuff to buy etc.)

But just like how corporations also need to be regulated to ensure that they don't exploit every last resource available to them - or exploit the leverage they possess in providing those same basic needs to the working class - in order to maximize their income; so do landlords.

No, this does not mean that landlords or the owners of big corporations should have their tenants/workers overthrow them or murder them.

In online leftwing anglo spaces "death to landlords" IS a pretty popular slogan. But, yeah, more sane people presumably don't mean that when they criticize landlords. 

[T'Chenka]

New York law being so pro-squatter anti-owner is insane and needs to be changed. I'm generally in the "anti-landlord" camp so to speak, but this is outrageous.

[Ferguson97]

I wonder what our many landlord haters think about this

This woman is not a landlord, and the very concept of squatter’s rights is ridiculous.

[dead0man]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

[dead0man]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

well, eventually Democrats that pull this sh**t will suffer.  Not sure why they'd let homeless advocates have this much power in the first place (and if they have this much power, why are they so sh**t at actually getting anything done.....ohhh. if they fixed the problem,they'd be out of a job, if the problem gets worse, they can get their friends cushy BS jobs like they got.  They know they won't get fired for doing a sh**t job, they work for the govt, you can't fail!), yet here we are.  And the dumb voters, the lying politicians, the corrupt bureaucracy all get to claim they are (somehow) on the moral high ground when it comes to the homelessness problem.  "What kind of heartless monster wouldn't want to spend more on the homeless?  How else can we fix the problem?"

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

well, eventually Democrats that pull this sh**t will suffer.  Not sure why they'd let homeless advocates have this much power in the first place (and if they have this much power, why are they so sh**t at actually getting anything done.....ohhh. if they fixed the problem,they'd be out of a job, if the problem gets worse, they can get their friends cushy BS jobs like they got.  They know they won't get fired for doing a sh**t job, they work for the govt, you can't fail!), yet here we are.  And the dumb voters, the lying politicians, the corrupt bureaucracy all get to claim they are (somehow) on the moral high ground when it comes to the homelessness problem.  "What kind of heartless monster wouldn't want to spend more on the homeless?  How else can we fix the problem?"

Eventually change will likely happen in some form. Sadly this nonsense has still some way to go.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

well, eventually Democrats that pull this sh**t will suffer.  Not sure why they'd let homeless advocates have this much power in the first place (and if they have this much power, why are they so sh**t at actually getting anything done.....ohhh. if they fixed the problem,they'd be out of a job, if the problem gets worse, they can get their friends cushy BS jobs like they got.  They know they won't get fired for doing a sh**t job, they work for the govt, you can't fail!), yet here we are.  And the dumb voters, the lying politicians, the corrupt bureaucracy all get to claim they are (somehow) on the moral high ground when it comes to the homelessness problem.  "What kind of heartless monster wouldn't want to spend more on the homeless?  How else can we fix the problem?"

Donald has a novel solution:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1775297295782654368

[David Hume]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

Which interest group would benefit from squatters rights?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

Which interest group would benefit from squatters rights?

Well, it's more like which groups support it. There's huge support for pro-squatter laws from activist organizations...

[ProgressiveModerate]

if everybody is against these insane squatters rights laws, why do so many Democrat politicians write them and keep them on the books?

Interest group pressure. Not everyone is for these laws changing, and those who are against change possess enough pull on the political system that they remain.

well, eventually Democrats that pull this sh**t will suffer.  Not sure why they'd let homeless advocates have this much power in the first place (and if they have this much power, why are they so sh**t at actually getting anything done.....ohhh. if they fixed the problem,they'd be out of a job, if the problem gets worse, they can get their friends cushy BS jobs like they got.  They know they won't get fired for doing a sh**t job, they work for the govt, you can't fail!), yet here we are.  And the dumb voters, the lying politicians, the corrupt bureaucracy all get to claim they are (somehow) on the moral high ground when it comes to the homelessness problem.  "What kind of heartless monster wouldn't want to spend more on the homeless?  How else can we fix the problem?"

I seriously cannot tolerate a large subset of NYC Dems for this reason. Claim to be fighters for the people, but then put insider interests ahead of doing good things for the city, or just take up absurd positions for the sake of being "ideologically pure".

There's also just a lot of pure laziness. Shared this before, but tried to contact my city council member (one of the weird Dems), got an email back saying that they were in a communications blackout period because we were less than 90 days from an election. There was no election occurring in the next 90 days, and even if there was, that's not a reason to just ignore your constituents.

Very reliable Dem voter at the federal level, but at the local level a lot of them won't be getting my vote anytime soon.

[Dr. MB]

Why anyone would want to be a landlord in a blue state is beyond me.

Better than being a landlord in a red state

[lfromnj]

To be specific it’s more that squatters rights doesn’t truly exist as written , it’s more a loophole of laws that protect legitimate tenant from eviction which is also bad but less bad.

[Ferguson97]

To be specific it’s more that squatters rights doesn’t truly exist as written , it’s more a loophole of laws that protect legitimate tenant from eviction which is also bad but less bad.

To what extent should tenant rights exist? Say for example, my landlord and I have a 1-year contract. After six months, he says he wants me to leave, so his brother-in-law can move in.

Should he be allowed to evict me at six months, even though we have a 1-year contract? If he should be allowed to evict me, how much advanced notice should he have to give me?

[lfromnj]

To be specific it’s more that squatters rights doesn’t truly exist as written , it’s more a loophole of laws that protect legitimate tenant from eviction which is also bad but less bad.

To what extent should tenant rights exist? Say for example, my landlord and I have a 1-year contract. After six months, he says he wants me to leave, so his brother-in-law can move in.

Should he be allowed to evict me at six months, even though we have a 1-year contract? If he should be allowed to evict me, how much advanced notice should he have to give me?

Firstly your situation details a contract so I would obviously side with the tenant and the landlord would have to at the very least pay the tenant to get them to move out early unless early cancellation was placed into the contract.
But to be more specific, what I mean is that blue states have stricter tenant laws which are bad in my personal opinion but obviously the politicians in blue states want to keep them. However these stricter tenant laws also have the side effect of creating squatter's rights.