What's stopping Putin from not continuing the war?
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Woody
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« on: June 24, 2022, 07:18:17 AM »

No, really.. He doesn't seem to give a sh*t about sanctions or lives.. the RU public is more or less content, either through suppression or outright support of the "military operation"-- Domestically, no massive disasters.. his military is sucking his boot nor any signs of mass collapse, same with the FSB/GRU.. also no intervention from western countries, spotlight decreasing for UA in the news and public opinion in the West.. why is he not going to finish what he started?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2022, 08:30:15 AM »

Right now? Nothing.

Russia had already prepared itself for a Western departure, the sanctions just pushed them more decisively to the East. Europe will have to live with the long-term consequences of having an unfriendly neighbor after the bad geopolitical choices they made, a consequence of overestimating their bargaining power.

That regime change wouldn’t happen in Russia as a consequence of sanctions was always obvious, but people just wanted to repeat what made them feel better even if it had no connection with reality lol
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2022, 08:55:36 AM »

The cost - in all senses - to Russia of this war will accumulate over time.

As will the amount of weapons and other aid given to Ukraine.

Again, ask yourself where we expected to be after four months - and contrast with the reality.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2022, 10:32:39 AM »

Right now? Nothing.

Russia had already prepared itself for a Western departure, the sanctions just pushed them more decisively to the East. Europe will have to live with the long-term consequences of having an unfriendly neighbor after the bad geopolitical choices they made, a consequence of overestimating their bargaining power.

That regime change wouldn’t happen in Russia as a consequence of sanctions was always obvious, but people just wanted to repeat what made them feel better even if it had no connection with reality lol

40% of Europe is in Russia, so Russia is not a neighbor to Europe they're a very big part of it. If you're talking about the EU Russia was already an unfriendly neighbor and they made the choice of trying to destabilize neighboring countries like Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova rather than giving them a choice to freely associate with the West and scaremongering about NATO, a defensive alliance they had nothing to fear from. Russia turning towards China was more or less inevitable and will only be reversed when the Westernized generation within the elite who are now in their 30s get into power.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2022, 04:24:48 PM »

Russia has burnt its bridges with the West already. Unfortunately, a protracted conflict is more in Russia's interest than in the West's. With energy prices skyrocketing, costs of living will continue to go up in the West, while "war fatigue" is already kicking in and Ukraine's needs will fade into the background. Meanwhile, Russia is exporting more energy to China and other places outside Europe than ever (and actually increasing its oil exports to a country like Italy too, as insane as that may sound) and the ruble is doing well.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2022, 05:45:25 PM »

In a year or two the Russians will encircle Kiev, so I think some of you are too bullish on Russia’s chances. Because it is either a victory short term or collapse, and it makes sense to go all in for this.

Not like it matters much, because the damage is done and I expect a nasty insurgency in the next few years in occupied Ukraine. They invaded for people, resources, and already existing capital that’s been blown to smithereens already.
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