SCOTUS-suspects can't sue officers for self-incriminating statements without Miranda Rights given
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« on: June 23, 2022, 09:25:17 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2022, 09:35:06 AM »

The larger issue here seems to be that Miranda rights have become entirely optional for the state.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2022, 09:36:31 AM »

Utter trash ruling, the last thing we need is to be giving the police even greater license to abuse individuals during arrests.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2022, 09:39:32 AM »

The larger issue here seems to be that Miranda rights have become entirely optional for the state.

Not exactly. A failure to read Miranda rights can still get incriminating statements thrown out of court. You just can't sue a cop for not reading them, but it doesn't affect your criminal case.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2022, 09:42:14 AM »

This may be the best court ever
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2022, 09:54:37 AM »

Yeah, this case is deceptively not about Miranda Rights at all. It's actually about ensuring that police officers have no accountability.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2022, 10:17:05 AM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2022, 10:18:20 AM »

IMPEACH THEM NOW!!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2022, 10:22:40 AM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police.

I would suggest reading the facts of this case.

This Court probably wants to overturn Miranda, but it's far too radioactive to overrule outright.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2022, 10:24:23 AM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police.

I would suggest reading the facts of this case.

This Court probably wants to overturn Miranda, but it's far too radioactive to overrule outright.

Okay, but my general statement is still true.  There is zero good that comes out of giving police statements.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2022, 10:28:17 AM »

This SCOTUS is quickly becoming a great thing for the police abolitionists considering how many people are going to be radicalized seeing so many abuses of power.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2022, 10:38:18 AM »

Why didn't we codify Miranda into federal law ?

Why is everything decided by the courts ??


That's not normal in a healthy democratic republic.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2022, 10:38:28 AM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police.

I would suggest reading the facts of this case.

This Court probably wants to overturn Miranda, but it's far too radioactive to overrule outright.

Okay, but my general statement is still true.  There is zero good that comes out of giving police statements.

I don't disagree with that, but that's also largely a result of the Miranda decision from 1966. It is very ingrained in our culture. However, the individual in this case was an immigrant and was apparently subject to threats by the police. Even many people that know their rights could break when threatened while in custody. Fear is a very powerful emotion. Eliminating remedies for the protection of constitutional rights is an unfortunate and dangerous road to go down.
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2022, 10:39:54 AM »

This SCOTUS is quickly becoming a great thing for the police abolitionists considering how many people are going to be radicalized seeing so many abuses of power.

This is a ticking time bomb that conservatives are not prepared for. Distrust of the police is so incredibly widespread, even amongst conservatives, that once the oldest generations that still have any faith in law enforcement are gone there's not going to be any faith in our police left.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2022, 11:26:42 AM »

This SCOTUS is quickly becoming a great thing for the police abolitionists considering how many people are going to be radicalized seeing so many abuses of power.

This is a ticking time bomb that conservatives are not prepared for. Distrust of the police is so incredibly widespread, even amongst conservatives, that once the oldest generations that still have any faith in law enforcement are gone there's not going to be any faith in our police left.

I know it's insane and could never be implemented and could have all sorts of negative unintended consequences, but I sometimes wonder what it would be like if we had police service by conscription.

Like, would it reduce police abuses because the police would no longer be drawn primarily from those who want to impose their own reactionary vision of order upon society? Or would serving in the police forces just lead to the draftees becoming reactionaries as they learned how much they like the ability to use force with little oversight?
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2022, 11:51:33 AM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police. 

I'm not guilty. I didn't do anything. I want an attorney/am getting an attorney. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2022, 11:54:02 AM »

This SCOTUS is quickly becoming a great thing for the police abolitionists considering how many people are going to be radicalized seeing so many abuses of power.

This is a ticking time bomb that conservatives are not prepared for. Distrust of the police is so incredibly widespread, even amongst conservatives, that once the oldest generations that still have any faith in law enforcement are gone there's not going to be any faith in our police left.

Coupled with the fact that any competent law-abiding adult can carry a gun however they want... well... you get the idea.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2022, 11:59:11 AM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police. 

I'm not guilty. I didn't do anything. I want an attorney/am getting an attorney. 

Yeah, just the last one for me, unless I didn't do it, then maybe the first two.  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2022, 12:15:18 PM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police. 

I'm not guilty. I didn't do anything. I want an attorney/am getting an attorney. 

Yeah, just the last one for me, unless I didn't do it, then maybe the first two.  Smiley

By “doing it” you mean that they have come to arrest you and not investigate you.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2022, 01:16:20 PM »

Yeah, this case is deceptively not about Miranda Rights at all. It's actually about ensuring that police officers have no accountability.

If through their negligence a police officer makes it harder to prosecute someone, I expect their dept. will not be happy about that.  So there's a good chance there will be accountability in such a case, much more so than a lot of other kinds of cases involving police misconduct.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2022, 01:53:44 PM »

 The hit parade of terrible Supreme Court decisions continues.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2022, 01:57:45 PM »

They're just blatantly making sh*t up as they go along.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2022, 02:01:08 PM »

Good Lord when will people realize that they should just never give a statement to the police. 

Judging from new client interviews I do probably multiple times a day, almost never.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2022, 02:02:33 PM »

Yeah, this case is deceptively not about Miranda Rights at all. It's actually about ensuring that police officers have no accountability.

If through their negligence a police officer makes it harder to prosecute someone, I expect their dept. will not be happy about that.  So there's a good chance there will be accountability in such a case, much more so than a lot of other kinds of cases involving police misconduct.

Without the threat of litigation and damages to the city as a result of the cops actions? That is incredibly unrealistic to the point of naive.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2022, 02:04:11 PM »

Yeah, this case is deceptively not about Miranda Rights at all. It's actually about ensuring that police officers have no accountability.

If through their negligence a police officer makes it harder to prosecute someone, I expect their dept. will not be happy about that.  So there's a good chance there will be accountability in such a case, much more so than a lot of other kinds of cases involving police misconduct.

Without the threat of litigation and damages to the city as a result of the cops actions? That is incredibly unrealistic to the point of naive.

Police Depts don't care if the people they arrest aren't convicted?
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