German and Irish backlash against Wilson and/or Cox in 1916 and 1920

[RBH]

via Wikipedia:

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Various results

Cook County, IL: Wilson got 44% in 1916, Cox got 22% in 1920.
New York: Wilson got 53%, Cox got 29%.
Milwaukee County, WI: Wilson got 44%, Cox got 18%.
Sheridan County, ND: Wilson got 27%, Cox got 7%. (FDR got 79%, 41%, 18%, and 17% in four elections there)
Suffolk County, MA: Wilson got 59%, Cox got 36%

I'm sure there's more good examples. And I don't know specifically what's in Sheridan County

[Tetro Kornbluth]

And Republicans will never win many of those listed ever again.

All this shows how important it is to "play to the base" - and what a pathetic president Wilson was.

[12th Doctor]

Is anyone suprised?  Wilson hated the Irish, Blacks, Hispanics....

[Colin]

Is anyone suprised?  Wilson hated the Irish, Blacks, Hispanics....

I think it may be possible that Wilson hated everyone except Wilson. I mean he did indirectly cause almost every major problem of the next 80 years.

[RBH]

In the scheme of things, I don't cheer for people to die.

Although from a political standpoint, had Wilson died in 1919, then Marshall would have had a decent shot of winning.

Marshall would have definately had a better shot than Cox.

The worst five Democratic Presidential nominees, 1896-2004

5: Mondale, 1984
4: McGovern, 1972
3: Cox, 1920
2: Davis, 1924
1: Parker, 1904

Say what you will about McGovern, but McGovern got a lot more than 34%

[Tetro Kornbluth]

In the scheme of things, I don't cheer for people to die.

Although from a political standpoint, had Wilson died in 1919, then Marshall would have had a decent shot of winning.

Marshall would have definately had a better shot than Cox.

The worst five Democratic Presidential nominees, 1896-2004

5: Mondale, 1984
4: McGovern, 1972
3: Cox, 1920
2: Davis, 1924
1: Parker, 1904

Say what you will about McGovern, but McGovern got a lot more than 34%

What's that in terms of - percentages? If so, then Davis is the worst not Parker, who would also be ahead of Cox - but not the others.

On the other hand if it's some ranking table - well, I'd greatly disagree with it.

[Rob]

I'm sure there's more good examples.

German Catholic counties in Wisconsin:

Jefferson County 1912- 62.4 percent Democratic
Jefferson County 1916- 47.7 percent Democratic

Ozaukee County 1912- 63.3 percent Democratic
Ozaukee County 1916- 48.4 percent Democratic

Dodge County 1912- 60.0 percent Democratic
Dodge County 1916- 46.8 percent Democratic

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that Wilson alienated ethnics.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that Wilson alienated ethnics.

Only slightly... er...

I always find it interesting quite how obviously political divisions in the U.S pre-New Deal tended to be largely dominated by ethnicity or civil war stuff.

[RBH]

I'm sure there's more good examples.

German Catholic counties in Wisconsin:

Jefferson County 1912- 62.4 percent Democratic
Jefferson County 1916- 47.7 percent Democratic

Ozaukee County 1912- 63.3 percent Democratic
Ozaukee County 1916- 48.4 percent Democratic

Dodge County 1912- 60.0 percent Democratic
Dodge County 1916- 46.8 percent Democratic

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that Wilson alienated ethnics.

And each one of those counties had a huge dive for the Dems in 1920.

Then they both went back to the Dems for Al Smith and for FDR. Before shifting towards Willkie.

Do you think there's also a German thing involved with the strong shifts towards Eisenhower?

And, which catagories do these counties fall under

Brown County, WI (Wilson gained in 1916, Cox got crushed, Smith won, FDR won 3 times, and JFK won with a 21 point shift)

Lincoln County, WI (Wilson lost almost 17 points between '12 and '16, Cox was crushed, Smith did well, FDR won twice)

[minionofmidas]

Is anyone suprised?  Wilson hated the Irish, Blacks, Hispanics....

I think it may be possible that Wilson hated everyone except Wilson.

After his stroke, he certainly did. He should have been removed from office for incapability in early 1919, and if medicinal knowledge had been where it's now then, he would have been.

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Huh? You what, mate?

[minionofmidas]

I'm sure there's more good examples.

German Catholic counties in Wisconsin:

Jefferson County 1912- 62.4 percent Democratic
Jefferson County 1916- 47.7 percent Democratic

Ozaukee County 1912- 63.3 percent Democratic
Ozaukee County 1916- 48.4 percent Democratic

Dodge County 1912- 60.0 percent Democratic
Dodge County 1916- 46.8 percent Democratic

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that Wilson alienated ethnics.

And each one of those counties had a huge dive for the Dems in 1920.

Then they both went back to the Dems for Al Smith and for FDR. Before shifting towards Willkie.

Do you think there's also a German thing involved with the strong shifts towards Eisenhower?

And, which catagories do these counties fall under

Brown County, WI (Wilson gained in 1916, Cox got crushed, Smith won, FDR won 3 times, and JFK won with a 21 point shift)

Strong Polish presence maybe?

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Probably also German Catholics.

[minionofmidas]

Ancestry data for Brown and Lincoln Co.s (from "total ancestries tallied" table - there are several different ways of calculating ancestry percentages)
All ancestries over 1% included. Wisconsin and US figures added for comparison value for groups exceeding 5% in Brown and/or Lincoln.

BROWN
German 31.0% (WI 35.3%, US 14.9%)
Polish 8.9% (WI 7.7%, US 3.1%)
Belgian 8.6% (WI 0.9%, US 0.1%)
Irish 8.4% (WI 9.0%, US 10.6%)
Dutch 5.4% (WI 2.3%, US 1.6%)
French 5.1% (WI 3.2%, US 2.9%)
English 3.6%
Norwegian 3.2% (WI 7.0%, US 1.6%)
Czech 2.4%
Franco-Canadian 2.3%
Swedish 2.0%
Italian 1.8%
Danish 1.1%
"American" 2.9% (terms like "Appalachian", individual state names, etc)
"Other" 7.9% (White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, American Indian, individual hispanic, asian, or american indian groups)

LINCOLN
German 46.3%
Irish 7.6%
Polish 7.1%
Norwegian 5.9%
French 4.6%
Swedish 3.9%
English 3.7%
Dutch 2.2%
Franco-Canadian 1.9%
Italian 1.8%
Finnish 1.1%
Swiss 1.1%
Czech 1.0%
"American" 2.9%
"Other" 2.8%

That Green Bay Belgian community might have a lot to do with Brown's pro-Wilson swing in 1916.

[minionofmidas]

While Lincoln is heavily German, it's only 23% Catholic according to the ARDA, Catholicism only narrowly beating LCMS as strongest congregation with ELCA in third. Brown is 52% Catholic.