French political discussion megathread: Yellow Vest Redux

[lfromnj]

https://www.la-croix.com/France/Emmanuel-Macron-envisage-fin-gratuite-luniversite-2022-01-14-1201194962

By the way does anyone know whats up with Macron's proposal to reform university tuition? Article is from last year.

Finally, Mathias Bernard considers "excessive" the president's assertion that the French model holds a record of public funding. According to OECD figures available on the website of the Ministry of the Interior, the share of public funding in higher education in France stands at 78.9%. Slightly higher than the OECD average (71.4%), but much lower than the Scandinavian countries (98.9% in Denmark), Belgium or Germany.

Translated quote. IIRC the thing with France is it combines both American and European college culture/funding. In America most high school students can go out and find a university that will take them but it will cost a lot. As far as I know in Germany a much smaller percentage will go to university proper but the government will fund it fully. France seems to allow almost any high school graduate to go while mostly funding it which leads to many dropouts.

[lfromnj]

So I am going with Macron probably used up too much political capital to go after college students next?

[lfromnj]

Funnily enough the last time Russia had actual mass protests was during pension reform

[lfromnj]

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230329-french-woman-faces-trial-for-insulting-macron-on-facebook

A woman in northern France is to be put on trial on charges of insulting President Emmanuel Macron after describing him as 'filth' in a Facebook post, a prosecutor said on Wednesday. The woman risks a fine of 12,000 euros but not prison if convicted at the trial due to be held in June

Wtf . How does Macron make me of all people feel a bit of sympathy to these entitled idiots.

[lfromnj]

Also haven't there been a bunch of protesters with guillotines or whatever of Macron? If I was going to arrest someone for what should be legal speech it should at least be those with borderline violent threats.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1643630500857118721?s=46&t=PcorhUAA4...

Looks like Le Pen would beat Macron in a 3rd rematch if Macron could run again according to this poll.

[lfromnj]

Disappointing, but not surprising. The Constitutional Council is a joke, but tbh it wasn't really their job to clean up Macron's mess.

Sadly this fight is probably over, but Macron is now weaker than ever, and I doubt he'll be able to 49.3 his way out of the next controversy.

what about the referendum option? Or will the French just riot instead of taking democracy into their own hands?

[lfromnj]

How is this any worse than what labor rioters do? 15 years ago weren't labor rioters literally kidnapping bosses demanding not to be fired?

[lfromnj]

It’s just obvious tbh. The more the West tries to isolate, suffocate, coup or destroy these South countries in order to protect their standing; the more overflooded the West will be with people from non-western places.

Which can be good to compensate for demographic declines but also creates a much more intense need for integration. They think they can welcome all these people while keeping them as third-rate citizens with no consequences and that’s simply impossible without some kind of harsh backlash. And we all know that the West isn’t really prepared to renounce to internal white supremacist dynamics that are key to shaping their national and cultural identities. You easily notice how they inherently feel “superior” to these immigrants culture even when they’re trying to welcome them.

It’s like, you can arrive to France as long as you renounce to your individual identity and basically become a white person with “French” values. It’s absolutely disgusting but westerners in general always push it very naturally because of this inherent misguided superior complex mixed with the savior complex too. It’s not because people look for better opportunities that they want to be like you are lmao. This led to people in the West to believe that immigrants would just come and be like them because the “inherent western cultural superiority” would lead the “better” culture to prevail.

If more and more people inside your borders are increasingly different than the “national standard” then it’s that standard that will inevitably have to change in order to fit the country reality for the sake of social cohesion and peace. Otherwise you have an apartheid state. This is the reality that the West has to face nowadays, renouncing their old national identities is inevitable for the sake of their own survival after all the interference that was pushed by themselves.

You say migrants can't properly integrate, yet I see these actions as proof of integration into the beloved French culture of rioting.

[lfromnj]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1785433/emmanuel-macron-france-new-hospital

 

Emmanuel Macron, the French President, outlined his vision for France as he confirmed the country was preparing for a "possible high-intensity war", with the announcement a new hospital would be built.

During a visit to Marseille, the French leader said the new military hospital was set to support citizens in the event his nation becomes embroiled in a bloody battle.

Jupiter is always prepared

[lfromnj]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/macron-proposes-cutting-off-social-media-access-in-france-in-response-to-riots/ar-AA1dtMxo

According to Tony protecting France from violent speech is a thing that makes it civilized unlike barbaric America.

[lfromnj]

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-two-term-limit-france-presidency-bullsh**t/

Macron calls 2 term limit bullsh**t.

[lfromnj]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67088547

France's interior minister has banned all pro-Palestinian demonstrations in the country.

In a statement, Gérald Darmanin ordered foreign nationals who break the rules to be "systematically" deported.

The move comes as European governments fear a rise in antisemitism triggered by the Israel-Hamas war.

A more civilized country than America bans all pro Palestine protests.

[lfromnj]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67088547

France's interior minister has banned all pro-Palestinian demonstrations in the country.

In a statement, Gérald Darmanin ordered foreign nationals who break the rules to be "systematically" deported.

The move comes as European governments fear a rise in antisemitism triggered by the Israel-Hamas war.

A more civilized country than America bans all pro Palestine protests.

How is this civilized? Banning pro-Palestine protests is quite an authoritarian move, and unjustified IMO. In the past, people in France have been prosecuted for insulting the President. Not a good precedent for civil liberties.

(Unless you're being sarcastic)

I'm mocking Antonio on this forum who bragged France is more civilized than America because America lets Charlie Kirk speak.

[lfromnj]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893

The far right but not far left joined an anti anti Semitic march.

[lfromnj]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-lawmakers-seek-deal-tougher-migration-bill-2023-12-19/

Macron's party has negotiated a more right wing immigration bill after the first one failed. It is now sufficiently right wing enough that a few members from the left wing of Macron's party may vote no but it has gained Le Pens support. The normalization of Le Pen in French politics continues.

But, in order to gain support from the right, the government agreed to water down the residency permits measures, while delaying migrants' access to welfare benefits - including benefits for children and housing allocations - by several years.

[lfromnj]

Looks like the bill passed thanks to votes from Le pen.

[lfromnj]

Seems like a small political crisis has started in France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aur%C3%A9lien_Rousseau
Aurelian Rosseau who is the health minister has just offered his resignation in protest.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/live/2023/12/19/en-direct-projet-de-loi-immigration-l-assemblee-nationale-adopte-le-projet-de-loi-immigration-a-349-voix-pour-et-186-contre_6206507_823448.html#id-1276755
Borne hasn't said if she accepts it.

[lfromnj]

What'a your opinion on  the inmigration bill?
Should it be discussed here or get its own thread?

There is some citizenship stripping added in which I oppose but other than it seems pretty good. There is actually some limited amnesty for sectors with a lack of labor. However it also restricts welfare and limits bringing whole families over.  The original bill was a much better deal for the left but they refused to work in the system unlike Le Pen. Le Pen didn't really negotiate the bill but if her party voted against it it would have failed. The bill was mostly negotiated by LR. In the end despite the fact it has limited amnesty Le Pen being a crucial vote bloc is a success for her. Restricting welfare is very good even if what was done is not enough. America's sink or swim environment forces migrants to actually work rather than live on welfare and refuse to integrate.

[lfromnj]

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240117-natalist-macron-sparks-uproar-revive-france-birth-rate

The president pledged to offer a better parental leave and combat infertility – which he called "the taboo of the century".

The CIDFF, an association that helps women and families, expressed "deep concern."

"The implementation of natalist policies, profoundly contrary to the autonomy of women, constitutes a worrying political and social regression," the association said.

Also Le Pen is happy of course.