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« on: May 20, 2022, 10:07:36 AM »



Macron replaces minister of Edu. Previously occupied by a 'anti-woke' rightist, now the position would be held by a historian who is a expert on racism in the West.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2022, 11:23:28 AM »
« Edited: December 06, 2022, 11:32:14 AM by Oryxslayer »

If Ciotti wins, how could the LR’s relationship with the RN/Reconquête change? Could there be cooperation between LR and the far-right?

Theoretically possible,  Ciotti deep down is no doubt closer to her than Macron,  but couldn't publicly say so during the runoffs.  The issue with this line of thinking is that it goes back to the Zemmour-Le Pen split in the far right last year, and how there was only enough space for one survivor in that conflict.  

Zemmour came to represent the old-guard panzer-daddy types within the RN, whereas Le Pen was elevating a bunch of comparative youngsters who saw things her way. On a simplistic level, it is a classist divide between the wealthy extremists and the less-advantaged 'globalization victims,' a regional divide between the Mediterranean coast and the north, and a power divide between those who wanted to preserve their position in the party and those who they saw as upstarts.  However,  sitting here at the end of 2022, we can recognize a deeper ideological gap: between that of a testimonial party focused on perceived purity and a parliamentary party that can compete for access nationwide.  

A lot of RN higher-ups believed Zemmour was the way. They had only ever been part of a testimonial party. But Zemmour lost. More importantly,  he lost without pulling large numbers of voters from RN. His coalition more resembled a old LR map or a older FN map, with electoral strength in the west of Paris for example. He was the wealthy ticket for monied old LR types. Le Pen followed the voters, brought her party historic results, and won complete internal control with the elimination of the Zemmourites to the wilderness.

Now they are back, in the form of Ciotti. To be fair, he recognizes the obvious - that Zemmour voters are likely former LR voters so there is some desire for his ideology. The issue is that with Le Pen as a successful and perceived better ticket for the modern far right voter - who is more a 'globalization victim' than a LR hardliner - Zemmour style tickets have a hard ceiling thanks to all the divides between them and Le Pen previously mentioned. Fundamentally,  it's a great movement for if the goal is expressing the anger of wealthy reactionaries, but it's a poor vehicle for winning far right votes.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2023, 07:46:28 AM »
« Edited: March 19, 2023, 12:25:48 PM by Oryxslayer »

Most moderate French protesters



Where were these people when Trump was our President?

In France Tongue


Jokes aside, I still remain thoroughly unimpressed with the French Left right now. It seems both politically and culturally they are enthralled by performance and actions that have the desired 'vibes,' not the coalition building and enemy-of-my-enemy tactics that should be happening right now to facilitate electoral results. Like if somehow REM lost the confidence votes that are coming and new elections were held, I'm still not sure if there would be a drastic change in results. Yeah Macron is unpopular right now and everyone should be going against REM - the unstoppable force - but then it means the immovable object of voting for RN or LFI in the runoff, something easy for a slice of the electorate but very difficult for a majority in a majority of seats.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2023, 12:55:59 PM »

No-Confidence vote fails, with 278 members voting for dissolution, short by 10 for the necessary majority to call a snap election.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2023, 07:08:12 PM »



So to get that out of the way...

Clearly a right winger.

Does that poll have a subsample for recalled R1 voters for him or REM? Cause that's always important in these sort of things, and especially in two-round runoff. Like I honestly wouldn't be surprised if those voters are majority centrist and its the opponents going right. Every voter (or here respondent) is judging things from their own perspective and perceptions and its not that hard to imagine the dominant perception being "sole pillar of normalcy with extremism to the left and the right." AKA the mirror of a extremist parties voters who see themselves as a fine and correct choice given the options and situation, but everyone else views them as beyond the bounds of decency.
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2023, 12:46:50 AM »

I want to talk with the 11-12% of Frenchmen who consistently believes that Macron is left wing.


The groups with the highest share who responded that way are Zemmourites and the remaining LR diehards.  Which makes sense if you put yourself in their shoes and analyze their perceptions. From their position,  they have a image of what a "right" politician is in their head, and that person is not Macron - in fact that person quite clearly draws distinctions with him. The perfect is essentially the enemy of the good, with it not mattering how much Macron speaks their language. He doesn't do a few things in manners these arch-conservatives desire and those get magnified into distinguishing wedges between these voter's imagined "right" and Macron's "right."
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2023, 05:36:03 PM »

What I'm seeing online is that people were discouraged from bringing any Israeli symbols, and they actually listened.  Just makes Melenchon look even more viscous when everyone has French flags and is talking about events domestically.
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