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« Reply #150 on: February 11, 2023, 05:49:38 PM »

The LFI deputy Thomas Portes (a despicable man who has been in three or four different parties in less than a decade and is facing allegations of sexual harassment) has been expelled from the National Assembly for fifteen days for having posted a tweet featuring a photo of himself, wearing his deputy sash and the foot on a soccer ball on which are glued photos of Olivier Dussopt, the minister of labor.



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I’d like to remind to deputy Thomas Portes that the last one who used the false head of an elected official (the one of Catherine Trautmann*) on a plate as a trophy... was named Jean-Marie Le Pen. Finally, Portes, you are in the same league than the far-right. Shameful.

*former PS deputy from Haut-Rhin (1986-88, 1997) and mayor of Strasbourg (1989-97, 2000-01) as well as minister for culture (1997-2000). Noticeable for being one of few if not the only French politician who is graduated in theology.



The same day that Portes posted his tweet, Mélenchon was interviewed on BFM TV and threw a tantrum because the journalist dared to ask him about the case of Adrien Quatennens. This latter, who resumed his job in the National Assembly on 7 February, has been booed by the Macronist bench he tried to speak to defend an amendment during the debate on pension reform. The LFI deputies applauded him while Sandrine Rousseau and other left-wing women deputies left to protest the return of Quatennens. On BFM TV, Mélenchon defended Quatennens (‘Leave him alone’; ‘He was been sufficiently punished. I have been sufficiently punished. The LFI has been sufficiently punished’) then started accusing the journalist to try to find ‘a way to divide the LFI members’. He subsequently went totally mental, hinting the journalist actually wants the death of Quatennens (‘What are you expecting? To kill him? That he has enough and can’t stand this anymore’) before insulting him with violent accusations (‘There is within you a sadistic enjoyment to see people suffering. You love this. To make buzz, you are ready to do anything’ ‘What you did is morally repugnant’). Mélenchon concluded his diatribe with a: ‘I regret having trust you. You are people without principles, with neither faith nor law’. Then, he left the TV studio, even before the end of the interview.


The consequences of Portes’ happening and Mélenchon’s skit on television are that is diverting attention from the ongoing protests against pensions reform, it reinforces the narrative pushed by Macronism about LFI and the RN being the same and finally is making the latter as the respectable and responsible opposition by comparison with hysterical clowns in the LFI: Le Pen called the tweet of Portes 'shameful' and a 'call to hate and violence'.

But this must be understood as part of a deliberate strategy from Mélenchon inspired by the thought of Chantal Mouffe and which is aiming to ‘conflictualize everything’ and to appeal to voters’ emotions rather than to their reflection.
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« Reply #151 on: February 13, 2023, 09:22:38 PM »

Sebastian Lecornu is targeting Black Panther: Wakanda Forever over their depiction of the French military.

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France’s Defense Minister has slammed Marvel’s movie “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever,” for what it calls a “false and misleading representation” of French troops.

“I strongly condemn this false and misleading representation of our Armed Forces,” French defense minister Sébastien Lecornu tweeted on Sunday.

In the franchise’s second installment, which was released in France in November 2022, the people of Wakanda – a fictional African country – are trying to protect the nation’s resources from foreign powers. During the movie, a group of mercenaries is caught stealing resources belonging to Wakanda.


The defense minister’s reaction comes after a French journalist on Saturday pointed out the similarities between the camouflage uniforms of those mercenaries in the movie and those of the French troops who operated in Mali for almost ten years.

“I think of and pay tribute to the 58 French soldiers who died defending Mali at its request against Islamist terrorist groups,” Lecornu said on Sunday on Twitter, responding to the journalist.

“While all the other elements of the film are fictional names and places there is a clear designation of France. The French military is painted as being involved in pillage of resources of the country and of course that is unacceptable,” a French Defense Ministry spokesperson told CNN in a phone call on Monday.


“We are not asking the studio to remove the movie or anything, on the other hand it is the role of the minister to defend the French military who were engaged in Mali to defend the country against terrorist groups,” the spokesperson added.
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« Reply #152 on: February 15, 2023, 08:42:58 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.
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« Reply #153 on: February 15, 2023, 09:08:24 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.

Brigitte Macron (because why the hell not)?
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« Reply #154 on: February 15, 2023, 09:33:44 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.

Brigitte Macron (because why the hell not)?

I can think of quite a few reasons.
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« Reply #155 on: February 15, 2023, 09:40:12 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.

Brigitte Macron (because why the hell not)?

I can think of quite a few reasons.

In all seriousness, what would be different about Birgitte running for President of France as opposed to Hillary Clinton running for President of the United States?
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« Reply #156 on: February 15, 2023, 09:44:58 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.

Brigitte Macron (because why the hell not)?

I can think of quite a few reasons.

In all seriousness, what would be different about Birgitte running for President of France as opposed to Hillary Clinton running for President of the United States?

Brigitte worked less than a year at a private secondary school before resigning for having an affair with a student, while Hillary worked as a non-profit lawyer, Senator, and Secretary of State.
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« Reply #157 on: February 15, 2023, 09:47:48 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.

Brigitte Macron (because why the hell not)?

I can think of quite a few reasons.

In all seriousness, what would be different about Birgitte running for President of France as opposed to Hillary Clinton running for President of the United States?

Brigitte worked less than a year at a private secondary school before resigning for having an affair with a student, while Hillary worked as a non-profit lawyer, Senator, and Secretary of State.

In spite of those positions, both of Hillary's runs were basically as "Mrs. Bill Clinton" (which is one of the reasons why she lost to Obama, and why Bernie did so well against her in 2016).
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« Reply #158 on: February 16, 2023, 03:48:57 PM »

Any ideas for who Macron will endorse as his successor in 2027? I was thinking Elisabeth Borne or Yael Braun-Pivet.

Macron is term-limited and couldn’t run in 2027. So he is doing what the term-limited Chirac and Mitterrand did, i.e. sabotage the presidential candidacy of his ‘intra-party’ enemy and favored successor (who happens to be also the probable strongest candidate). For Mitterrand it was Rocard, for Chirac it was Sarkozy.

In the case of Macron, it is Édouard Philippe, who has made no mystery of his 2027 presidential ambitions and is trying building a movement around his Horizons party by poaching among the right-wing side of Renaissance and satellite parties/micro-parties. Philippe and Macron are now enjoying pretty bad relations and Macron is reportedly unwilling to see his former prime minister succeeding him. Philippe is a serious candidate (when the head of government he basically sounded as ‘the adult in the room’ compared to Macron) and decently popular but he may be too right-wing on economic matters and has suffered a transformation of his appearance because of alopecia.

Other potential 2027 candidates for Macronism are Bruno Le Maire, the finance minister (possibly too much technocratic and economically right-wing), François Bayrou (probably too old and shiftless) and Gérald Darmanin (possibly too much right-wing on immigration, too much a demagogue and too much unlikable).

I don’t see neither Borne nor Braun-Pivet running (bar further political developments).

Borne is too cold and technocratic, she is theoretically belonging to the left wing of Macronism (a political group that is losing influence, may have problems appealing former LR voters while having to overcome the fact it has accomplished little to please center-left voters) and, finally, she may not survive the pension reform not matter of the outcome: if she manage to get the measure passed, its unpopularity will tainted the rest of her career (at least, this will not be forgotten at the time of the 2027 election) either she fail/has to backtrack under street pressures and appearing weak isn’t a good start for a presidential bid.

As for Braun-Pivet, she isn’t on the best terms with Macron and apparently despised by much of her own Renaissance caucus because she is accused of only caring about advancing her political career. She also has a very limited government experience (one month as overseas minister), is elected in a very bourgeois constituency and frankly isn’t very well-known.

A difference with Mitterrand and Chirac is however that Macron would be young enough to attempt running for a third term in office (so in 2032). And here came a fantasy it is hard to know if this is just speculation from bored pundits or actually a plan of Macron himself (this is what happens when you living under a monarchic presidency): running former prime minister Jean Castex to serve as a placeholder in the Élysée Palace in 2027-32 before the return of Macron. Not sure what is the worse with that theory between the idea that Macronism would still be an unstoppable force able to win a fourth election in a row after fifteen years in office or the theory that Castex would be a formidable presidential candidate: the guy has no charisma, has been the most forgettable and powerless head of government of the Fifth Republic and nobody has a clue where he is exactly standing politically.



The idea that Brigitte Macron would run for president is obviously totally ludicrous: she has zero political or electoral experience (and will have problems gaining some by 2027), isn’t especially popular, is mostly discussed in the pages of women's magazines for frivolous reasons (she is wearing classy dresses, she has the same handbag than the Queen of Jordan, that kind of stuff), is making many quite uncomfortable (because of the difference of age with her husband: she will be 74 in 2027) and the usual suspects totally insane (she had to go to justice to stop the spreading of rumors on the Internet about her being actually a transsexual) and isn’t probably even interested to begin with.

The only two French first ladies to have had a public political role (private role is another thing but remains very speculative) have been Danielle Mitterrand (who headed an anti-colonialist NGOs in the 1980s/90s, causing problems for her husband when she supported Fidel Castro or the Dalai Lama) and Bernadette Chirac (a general councilor in Corrèze between 1979 and 2015): none of them have run for president nor even contemplated to do so.
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« Reply #159 on: February 18, 2023, 11:40:38 AM »

Aurélien Pradié has been removed from his post of LR executive vice-president by Éric Ciotti after just one month in office. The reason is the staunch opposition of Pradié to the pension reform proposed by the Macron government and endorsed by Ciotti.

The constitution of the new LR ‘leadership team’ after the victory of Ciotti has previously been criticized by Bruno Retailleau (Ciotti’s main rival in the 2022 leadership race) because it included too many followers of Ciotti. And that despite the hilariously overstaffed ‘leadership team’ which is including two executive vice-presidents, sixteen vice-presidents, three spokespersons, one secretary-general, one first deputy secretary-general, three deputy secretaries-general, eight assistant secretaries-general and even a ‘special adviser in charge of a prefiguration of a foundation for ideas’:



Meaning the only two opposition parties which have renewed their leadership after the 2022 electoral period without internal drama and disputes are the Communist Party (where the motion supported by Roussel was approved by 82% of the voting members) and, amazingly enough, Europe Écologie Les Verts.

Conversely:

- the election of Bardella as the head of the RN happened in the middle of accusations of ‘purges’ against members of the ‘social’ wing of the party (in first place Steeve Briois, the mayor of Hénin-Beaumont who has denounced an economically right-wing turn of the party)

- the dedazo of Mélenchon to impose Bompard at the head of the LFI, against the will of the movement’s bigwigs and members, has provoked a rift that is currently remaining unresolved (there have been few days ago two concurrent meetings against pension reform, the one of Mélenchon and the one of Ruffin, Corbière and Autain)

- the designation of the new PS first secretary has ended with a tie in an internal election tainted by accusations of fraud and the reappointment of a weakened Faure at the price of the creation of two posts of ‘deputy first secretaries’: one for his main rival, Nicolas Mayer-Rossignol, and one for Faure’s internal ally, Johanna Rolland

- Reconquête is undermined by a cold war between Zemmour and Marion Maréchal for its leadership while the party (in first place, who should receive the top spot for the 2024 European Parliament election) and has suffered multiple defections, including Jacline Mouraud, a former self-proclaimed leader of the Yellow Jackets, who left in last September after an interview of Zemmour in which, when asked about Jacline Mouraud, the former presidential candidate answered ‘Jacline who?’ (the best part is that the recent publication of the presidential campaign accounts have revealed that Mouraud has been paid €13,000 for public relations advice which are widely suspected of having never existed). Gilbert Collard and Jérôme Rivière (ex-RN) have also expressed their discontent about the autocratic reorganization of the party in last September with Collard being unhappy to be removed from his position of 'honorary president' of Reconquête.
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« Reply #160 on: March 08, 2023, 06:13:25 AM »

The LFI deputies are no longer the only ones to turn the National Assembly into a circus, now even ministers are doing their parts to achieve such goal:



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The debates in the National Assembly have been disrupted after the keeper of the seals [justice minister] Éric Dupond-Moretti had gave bras d’honneurs in the parliament’s hemicycle to the president of the LR caucus, Olivier Marleix, who had mentioned just before the minister’s indictment for ‘illegal takings of interest’.

Acknowledging he had gave two bras d’honneurs, Éric Dupond-Moretti has ensured the gesture ‘wasn’t addressed to the deputy Marleix’ but to the infringement ‘to the presumption of innocence’.

The justice minister is investigated since two years and formally indicted since July 2021 for potential conflicts of interest as he is suspected of using his functions of minister to settle accounts with magistrates he previously had conflicted with when a lawyer in various high-profile trials. In any normal democracy, he would have been forced to resign (especially because he is neither a particularly effective minister nor a political heavyweight the president is forced to accommodate) but in Macron’s ‘exemplary republic’ EDM had been able to remain in office and even reappointed after Macron’s reelection.
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« Reply #161 on: March 08, 2023, 02:59:46 PM »

- the election of Bardella as the head of the RN happened in the middle of accusations of ‘purges’ against members of the ‘social’ wing of the party (in first place Steeve Briois, the mayor of Hénin-Beaumont who has denounced an economically right-wing turn of the party)
Bit late to replying but would be interested if you could expand on this?
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« Reply #162 on: March 08, 2023, 05:24:21 PM »

In the aftermath of his election as president of the RN, Bardella has appointed in last November a new executive bureau largely made up by his close allies and which includes only one of his internal opponents, Louis Aliot. Meanwhile, Steeve Briois, the mayor of Hénin-Beaumont, and Bruno Bilde, a deputy from Pas-de-Calais and former deputy mayor of Hénin-Beaumont (under Briois who happens to be also his partner), were sidelined from the leadership, leading the two to publicly protest against what they labeled as ‘a purge against those advocating a social line’ and a ‘right-wing shift’ and ‘re-radicalization’ of the RN.

Elected in the deindustrialized, low-income and historically left-wing bassin minier in Pas-de-Calais, Briois and Bilde have warned against the presumed strategy of Bardella to advocate a ‘union of the rights’ with Reconquête and LR over a ‘neither left neither right’ strategy to unite ‘the patriots from the right and the left’. Both also denounced the promotion of persons championing identitarian or arch-conservative social positions as well as the alleged leniency of Bardella towards members who had defected to Zemmour the last year.

While, this can be seen as embittered comments from sore losers (and indeed nothing has been really heard about the RN internal divisions since last November), this is showing several of the big problems faced by the FN/RN since decades: its inability to decide whether it is a party ready to govern or just a receptacle for protest votes (permanently fueled by controversial statements like the ones Panzerdaddy was accustomed to) doomed to remain into opposition until the extinction of the Le Pen dynasty; the ambiguity (to say the least) of its economic platform (which is anyway not very serious, even by French standards) with contradictory proposals between reducing taxes and old poujadism on one hand and more ‘social’ policies and a defense of public services in the middle and small communes on the other; the indecision over incarnating a ‘populist’ catch-all option or appearing as a potential partner for the right-wing ‘responsible’ parties; the permanent turnover among party cadres with frequent purges/departures over personal squabbles, political differences or even financial disputes which has undermined the possibility to establish a strong party infrastructure.
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« Reply #163 on: March 11, 2023, 05:04:29 AM »



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« Reply #164 on: March 16, 2023, 10:38:48 AM »

Parliament is not in order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljEkA3miMg
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« Reply #165 on: March 18, 2023, 05:01:01 PM »
« Edited: March 18, 2023, 09:10:35 PM by lfromnj »

https://www.la-croix.com/France/Emmanuel-Macron-envisage-fin-gratuite-luniversite-2022-01-14-1201194962

By the way does anyone know whats up with Macron's proposal to reform university tuition? Article is from last year.

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Finally, Mathias Bernard considers "excessive" the president's assertion that the French model holds a record of public funding. According to OECD figures available on the website of the Ministry of the Interior, the share of public funding in higher education in France stands at 78.9%. Slightly higher than the OECD average (71.4%), but much lower than the Scandinavian countries (98.9% in Denmark), Belgium or Germany.

Translated quote. IIRC the thing with France is it combines both American and European college culture/funding. In America most high school students can go out and find a university that will take them but it will cost a lot. As far as I know in Germany a much smaller percentage will go to university proper but the government will fund it fully. France seems to allow almost any high school graduate to go while mostly funding it which leads to many dropouts.
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« Reply #166 on: March 18, 2023, 07:23:58 PM »

I take back all what I said

Mea culpa

Macron is a massive female sexual organ

Va te faire mettre fils de pute de ta mère !
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« Reply #167 on: March 18, 2023, 11:10:40 PM »

Most moderate French protesters

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« Reply #168 on: March 19, 2023, 12:29:49 AM »

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Where were these people when Trump was our President?
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« Reply #169 on: March 19, 2023, 07:46:28 AM »
« Edited: March 19, 2023, 12:25:48 PM by Oryxslayer »

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Where were these people when Trump was our President?

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Jokes aside, I still remain thoroughly unimpressed with the French Left right now. It seems both politically and culturally they are enthralled by performance and actions that have the desired 'vibes,' not the coalition building and enemy-of-my-enemy tactics that should be happening right now to facilitate electoral results. Like if somehow REM lost the confidence votes that are coming and new elections were held, I'm still not sure if there would be a drastic change in results. Yeah Macron is unpopular right now and everyone should be going against REM - the unstoppable force - but then it means the immovable object of voting for RN or LFI in the runoff, something easy for a slice of the electorate but very difficult for a majority in a majority of seats.
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« Reply #170 on: March 19, 2023, 08:10:15 AM »

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Where were these people when Trump was our President?

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Jokes aside, I still remain thoroughly unimpressed with the French Left right now. It seems both politically and culturally they are enthralled by performance and actions that have the desired 'vibes,' not the coalition building and enemy-of-my-enemy tactics that should be happening right now to facilitate electoral results. Like if somehow REM lost the confidence votes that are coming and new elections were held, I'm still not sure if there would be a drastic change in results. Yeah Macron is unpopular right now and everyone should be going against REM - the unstoppable force - but then it means the immovable object of voting for RN or LFI in the runoff, something easy for a since of the electorate but very difficult for a majority in a majority of seats.

Yeah, the depressing thing is that, for all the hatred for Macron, current legislative polls show a picture that's basically unchanged from 2022. There's just no alternative that would be acceptable to 50% of French people.

Of course, this was a deliberate strategy by Macron: siphon off both sides of France's traditional bipolarized system so as to create a broad center block whose only opposition are "extremist" forces on both sides. What we're seeing now is just how deleterious this strategy is for democracy. Say what you want about the old PS vs RPR/UMP/LR bipolarity, but it allowed people to have an electoral outlet for their discontent. Don't like what the government is doing? Well, there's an alternative that's also made of responsible, pragmatic people who seem capable of governing without wrecking everything. This possibility for an alternative is vital in a democracy. By destroying it, Macron has started a dangerous escalation in French political conflict, and it's hard to see where it ends. Our only hope is PS or the Greens somehow getting their sh*t together so they can start challenging FI for primacy over the left, but this is easier said than done.
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« Reply #171 on: March 19, 2023, 10:59:59 AM »
« Edited: March 19, 2023, 11:09:16 AM by Farmlands »

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So edgy. The left in France really needs to improve their organizational skills and project a better image than what's currently happening if they want to gain back a hold in the country. But they'll just probably just put up Mélenchon again in the next election anyways...
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« Reply #172 on: March 19, 2023, 12:23:04 PM »

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It's great to see France healing and returning to normal.
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« Reply #173 on: March 19, 2023, 03:17:16 PM »

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Where were these people when Trump was our President?

In France Tongue


Jokes aside, I still remain thoroughly unimpressed with the French Left right now. It seems both politically and culturally they are enthralled by performance and actions that have the desired 'vibes,'

Well this is hardly just true of the French Left is it.
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« Reply #174 on: March 20, 2023, 12:55:59 PM »

No-Confidence vote fails, with 278 members voting for dissolution, short by 10 for the necessary majority to call a snap election.
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