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« on: May 12, 2022, 01:27:55 PM »

It's a bit of an odd view that I've never understood from here. Like that it's not a big deal if people from some more generic white American background or whatever convert from Catholic to Protestant but people of Irish or Italian descent doing so is VERY BAD and gets people triggered here, both people in Ireland and some Americans. Like why does one's ethnic background even matter?

The thing that really confuses me is that this is like the one place on the Internet where this type of mindset seems to be common, even on the immense concentration of hot takes that is Twitter I haven't seen it.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2022, 03:39:57 PM »

It usually represents a nasty turn towards elitist conservatism common among newly rich social climbers. Evangelical converts are more likely to be zealous authoritarians than cultural Catholics.
People here get bent out of shape even if it's converting to a liberal mainline denomination though.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2022, 01:18:56 AM »

It usually represents a nasty turn towards elitist conservatism common among newly rich social climbers. Evangelical converts are more likely to be zealous authoritarians than cultural Catholics.
People here get bent out of shape even if it's converting to a liberal mainline denomination though.

Can you post an example of this actually happening? "Church-shopping" is a foreign concept to the European posters here, in no small part because the US never had a state church and so American Christians are more open to exploring different denominations, but I don't know anyone particularly adverse to the idea.
See basically any commentary from oakvale or Gully Foyle on it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2022, 10:18:11 AM »

It usually represents a nasty turn towards elitist conservatism common among newly rich social climbers. Evangelical converts are more likely to be zealous authoritarians than cultural Catholics.
People here get bent out of shape even if it's converting to a liberal mainline denomination though.

Can you post an example of this actually happening? "Church-shopping" is a foreign concept to the European posters here, in no small part because the US never had a state church and so American Christians are more open to exploring different denominations, but I don't know anyone particularly adverse to the idea.
See basically any commentary from oakvale or Gully Foyle on it.

Huh? I'm pretty sure Gully is Protestant.
Well no, not religious although raised Protestant, but he still said once that if you're a religious affiliation different than your parents and perhaps your spouse, that's a problem.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2022, 08:19:06 PM »

Nothing, which is why nobody has ever said or even implied this on this forum, as far as I am aware. One wonders why you even ask.
False.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 10:45:19 PM »
« Edited: May 26, 2022, 12:12:41 AM by September never stays this cold »

Tbh it seems to me that the notion that religion is a personal choice is something that in and of itself is essentially Protestant and American. If you go to most other places in the world to be Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Zoroastrian and probably countless other things is a part of your cultural heritage and identity. I think that a lot of people would see converting to Protestantism as a form of cultural genocide.

Conversion to Protestantism is extremely common everywhere in the Western Hemisphere.

And here's even an example outside it:
https://www.france24.com/en/20191023-iraqi-kurds-turn-to-zoroastrianism-as-faith-identity-entwine
https://syrianobserver.com/features/51332/kurds-embrace-christianity-and-kobani-celebrates-inauguration-of-church.html
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2022, 12:37:49 PM »

Increasingly I've begun to think of this matrix of issues as having more to do with historical preservation and the relationship between individual and group identity in general rather than anything special to do with religion. That's all I'll say for now.
Having such a concern strikes me as incredibly reactionary though, especially prioritizing group identity over individual identity.
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