SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)
Beet:
Was in D.C. the other day seeing some women holding up protest signs and one of them was like "We are NEVER going back."
I thought, "Ah, but we have already gone back, my friend."
Dobbs has shattered something that cannot be regained. A notion which, at least since the 1960s, but perhaps since the abolitionist movement of the early 19th century, has reigned in Western culture -- the notion that social history is a linear process of progress, whereby rights are continually expanded. In my view, that, is one of the most important legacies of Dobbs. It shows that social regression is in fact possible.
A historic "first" has occurred, but not the kind social liberals often celebrate. Rather, for the first time, a major social right that was once considered settled has been taken away. No matter how many rights you think you have as a woman, as a minority, as a gay, as any kind of minority, it can be taken away again.
The only group that rights cannot be taken away from are white men. Anything else, and your rights in the West will always be up for debate -- perpetually up for debate. You cannot sleep soundly. That is the real difference between social classes.
Person Man:
Quote from: Overturn Dobbs on October 11, 2022, 02:22:17 PM
Was in D.C. the other day seeing some women holding up protest signs and one of them was like "We are NEVER going back."
I thought, "Ah, but we have already gone back, my friend."
Dobbs has shattered something that cannot be regained. A notion which, at least since the 1960s, but perhaps since the abolitionist movement of the early 19th century, has reigned in Western culture -- the notion that social history is a linear process of progress, whereby rights are continually expanded. In my view, that, is one of the most important legacies of Dobbs. It shows that social regression is in fact possible.
A historic "first" has occurred, but not the kind social liberals often celebrate. Rather, for the first time, a major social right that was once considered settled has been taken away. No matter how many rights you think you have as a woman, as a minority, as a gay, as any kind of minority, it can be taken away again.
The only group that rights cannot be taken away from are white men. Anything else, and your rights in the West will always be up for debate -- perpetually up for debate. You cannot sleep soundly. That is the real difference between social classes.
Yeah. It’s basically the rebirth of Ancien Regime and potentially the beginning of the end of “The West” (as the successor of the Salic societies) the same way Afghanistan was for the Soviets or Adrianople was for the Romans (a battle in 376 where a Roman army was destroyed and the emperor killed when he tried to personally lead the interception of armed migrants). And I say “might” because only hindsight will determine if this is some sort of historical Moment of Inertia of some weird hiccup like Prohibition or Dred Scott. By the way, that case is similar to Dobbs in that the court dispositively said a particular right simply is not recognizing (the right for nonwhites to be citizens vs the right for a woman to have or not have children).
Sir Mohamed:
Unconventional stuff:
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Hermit For Peace:
Quote from: Sir Mohamed 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 on October 13, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
Unconventional stuff:
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Wow! Good stuff. People caring about other people.
Progressive Pessimist:
Quote from: hermit on October 13, 2022, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Sir Mohamed 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 on October 13, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
Unconventional stuff:
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Wow! Good stuff. People caring about other people.
It really shouldn't have to come to this though.
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