SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[SnowLabrador]

Abolish the Supreme Court.

[Vosem]

Legitimate wow. If true has a good chance of being the most earth-shattering opinion since Brown.

I never thought I would see the day. This is such a beautiful moment for life and our country.

I’m overjoyed.

You guys destroyed the legitimacy of the Supreme Court to achieve this but sure act like this a good thing for the country

To be fair, the Supreme Court destroyed its own legitimacy on 12/12/2020.

For better or for worse, in public polling the Supreme Court is basically the institution in the United States with the most legitimacy. Which is why Biden has made trying to change it a priority of the administration -- see the rapid confirmation of KBJ, for instance.

Anyway, without having read the opinion and just guessing that it's what we always thought a Roe overturning would be: good decision on constitutional interpretation, terrible decision on public policy.

Curious as to how this might affect midterm polling -- truly if there's one issue on which there's lots of reason to suspect Republicans might suffer from pushing too hard, it's this one. At the same time, supremely controversial Supreme Court decisions in the past, whether on gay rights or wealthy rights or civil rights, pretty much had no impact on the interpartisan fight in spite of widespread predictions that they would. The only one to ever truly cause a backlash from a majority of the voters was Dred Scott. I don't think this is that.

[AncestralDemocrat.]

A blessed day.

[7,052,770]

Why would Joe Biden let this happen

Well, if it's 5-4, not advancing Clarence Thomas to a full floor vote might have made the difference.

I'd be willing to bet good money this draft opinion is 6-3, and thus not giving Thomas a hearing is moot.

And even if it's not, it's not like Bush would have appointed a liberal had Thomas been rejected. (Ok, ok, there's Souter, so who knows. But probably not.)

[OSR stands with Israel]

Absolutely horrendous, and the Court has just surrendered its last ounce of legitimacy.

Name the provision of the constitution where it guarantees abortion rights

[Donerail]

For better or for worse, in public polling the Supreme Court is basically the institution in the United States with the most legitimacy. Which is why Biden has made trying to change it a priority of the administration -- see the rapid confirmation of KBJ, for instance.

how much of that polling was conducted over the last fifteen minutes?

[lfromnj]

Abolish the Supreme Court.

Burn it to the ground, and then build it back up with 21st century democratic norms.

People are going to riot and they’ll be justified imo.

So legislatures getting to vote on whether abortion can be banned?

I love how Democrats have been so attached to the idea of "Democracy" over the past 2 years that anything they oppose is now anti "democratic"

[MR DARK BRANDON]

House: Safe R -> Tilt R
Senate: Lean R -> Lean D

Oh, who am I kidding?

I'm certainly not naive enough to think that this will be any sort of deus ex machina for the Democrats in November, but is it naive to think that it could actually have an appreciable impact? Minimizing the electoral damage at least a little bit? I'm not sure.

I’d say that this will likely help D’s in the midterms by a fair amount.

[Saint Milei]

At some point we need to start ignoring the courts.

Ron Paul is that you?

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

By the way is no one else going to discuss the fact that there was a leak at all?

Maybe its a liberal clerk trying to get Kavanaugh to face public pressure/bullying?

Maybe its Breyer?

No one else has bitten, but this really stuck out to me too. There’s definitely going to be campaigning against this (draft) decision starting tomorrow if not sooner.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Abolish the Supreme Court.

Burn it to the ground, and then build it back up with 21st century democratic norms.

People are going to riot and they’ll be justified imo.

So the court overruling a decision which stated that the issue of abortion is not one that can be decided by democratic choice is anti democratic.


The fact you guys even challenged a 15 week ban is lol worthy to begin with given many western nations restrict abortion before 15 weeks as well

[Vosem]

For better or for worse, in public polling the Supreme Court is basically the institution in the United States with the most legitimacy. Which is why Biden has made trying to change it a priority of the administration -- see the rapid confirmation of KBJ, for instance.

how much of that polling was conducted over the last fifteen minutes?

I can't imagine the last 15 minutes caused anyone else to recover!

(Also, for the record, the institution that has more legitimacy than SCOTUS is the military).

[GeorgiaModerate]

Assuming this is legitimate, has there ever been such a leak from SCOTUS before?

[jojoju1998]

Also to be fair, the Roe V. Wade decision was shaky legally. Even RBG said it herself.  A right to privacy applied to abortion ? Ehh..

It would have been better if in the 1970s, states legalized it state by state with rules and regulations.

[Iacon]

Feels surreal that this is going to happen after the past several years.  Definitely has to be the biggest con win at SCOTUS in a long time.

[Devout Centrist]

Real dumb move to leak this now, but it won’t change much in practice. State and local elections are about to get a lot more vicious.

[7,052,770]

Oh, and obligatory shoutout to everyone left of center who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton on 11/8/2016 (whether because she was too right-wing or too left-wing). Nice f**king job, losers.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Abolish the Supreme Court.

And without the supreme court abortion would not be a federal right anyway

[Ferguson97]

Absolutely horrendous, and the Court has just surrendered its last ounce of legitimacy.

Name the provision of the constitution where it guarantees abortion rights

Why are you challenging me to elaborate on an argument I didn't make?

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

As frightening as this prospect is, the silver lining is that this may light a fire under the pro-choice majority in a way that abortion's current death-by-a-thousand-cuts trajectory was evidently not quite doing.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I believe President Trump had a suggestion way back in 2016 on how people who don't approve of un-finalized decisions from the Supreme Court ought to change them.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Assuming this is legitimate, has there ever been such a leak from SCOTUS before?

Nope. This is earth shatteringly unprecedented.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Absolutely horrendous, and the Court has just surrendered its last ounce of legitimacy.

Name the provision of the constitution where it guarantees abortion rights

Why are you challenging me to elaborate on an argument I didn't make?

So you are admitting that you think the court is illegitimate if it’s not a progressive super legislature

[Stockdale for Veep]

People think the Dems can hold the Senate.... (new here?)

Better chance of Manchin passing a federal abortion protections bill in the lame duck.

[Vosem]

Assuming this is legitimate, has there ever been such a leak from SCOTUS before?

Breyer was apparently so offended that his retirement was leaked that he almost went back on it. Also, over the past few years the outcomes of multiple cases have been correctly leaked, though I don't know about an entire opinion.

The answer to your question is probably 'no', no decision this important has been leaked, but rarely do decisions this important come around.