SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

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hermit:
Quote from: Skill and Chance on August 08, 2022, 11:55:20 AM

Quote from: Hermit on the move on August 07, 2022, 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Skill and Chance on August 07, 2022, 02:30:48 PM

Quote from: Hermit on the move on August 07, 2022, 01:00:46 PM


Abortion should not be left up to legislators. Kansas was able to vote on the matter and the people chose to keep abortion practices in tact. What the majority of American people want is far more valuable than what a bunch of disinterested political folks try to force us to want. But we live in a patriarchal society where what is good for the woman is not necessarily the path we follow, and that's how the cookie crumbles.



I'm not sure this is so clear cut.  More women than men have voted in every presidential election since 1984, and women outvote men most dramatically in the Deep South (most Southern states had 55%+ female electorates in 2020).  That timeframe covers the appointments of the entire current SCOTUS.  To whatever extent current policy doesn't reflect what women want, it's a huge stretch to blame men at this point.  This goes doubly so for state-level policy in the South.



Voting is not quite the same as women being treated "differently" than men in society. It's still a male dominated society we're living in, although it's changing very slowly. How many presidents have been female? How many CEOs are female? How many representatives in congress are female? Women have a higher instance of living in poverty than men, especially single mothers. It's not so much about blaming men as it is that we are still living in a male dominated society because that's how it's always been.



However, this isn't about a male CEO setting sexist corporate policy, this is about government policy, which a majority of voters reasonably control over the 40 year long run.  Also, while corporate senior management hasn't shifted much, women are the majority at every level of higher education now, including doctors and lawyers.  In some educational settings, it's a 60/40 majority or higher.  Even the corporate senior management thing could be addressed through Scandinavian style mandates if you have a clear majority of votes  and make it a top priority.

A more likely scenario is the male CEO's wife is voting to maximize his influence/opportunity/income rather than her own and cumulatively there's enough of this going on to mostly maintain the status quo (~20% of married mothers don't formally work).  But it's still a choice those women are making as to what their best interests are, right?



That's the ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world. Life is complicated and people are influenced by social programming and also social events that are beyond their control.

jojoju1998:
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on August 06, 2022, 05:31:26 PM

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So much for Red States are better for the economy.

Itís more than just tax cuts folks.

Person Man:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/abortion-vote-recount-under-way-in-kansas/ar-AA10BWNu?li=BBnbfcL

They really donít like democracy.

H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY:
Quote from: MarkD on August 12, 2022, 08:31:40 PM

Quote from: Person Man on August 12, 2022, 08:13:56 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/abortion-vote-recount-under-way-in-kansas/ar-AA10BWNu?li=BBnbfcL

They really donít like democracy.



When tens of millions of American voters across over 30 states voted to amend their state constitutions to ban same-sex marriage, Democrats did not like democracy either. All those voters were "homophobic."



Yes.

GeorgiaModerate:
Quote from: MarkD on August 12, 2022, 08:31:40 PM

Quote from: Person Man on August 12, 2022, 08:13:56 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/abortion-vote-recount-under-way-in-kansas/ar-AA10BWNu?li=BBnbfcL

They really donít like democracy.



When tens of millions of American voters across over 30 states voted to amend their state constitutions to ban same-sex marriage, Democrats did not like democracy either. All those voters were "homophobic."



I strongly doubt that the Democrats asked for recounts or challenged any of those results that they lost by almost 20%.  Feel free to provide examples if there were any.

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