SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/KristinLyerly/status/1545045142603571205?s=20&t=VKrLL0qz...

I’d just do it and dare them to make me a martyr. The GoFundMe page set up for me would provide enough for me to retire if I was banned from working forever. Yeah maybe I am talking sh**t. I’m talking sh**t. Someone eventually has to do this. That much I can tell you. Hell, I imagine the Netherlands, Canada, or Finland would provide you with asylum if you are facing down “some years”. That America has become a source of refugees would be humiliating to these red state governors. There’s nothing that says “you’re a poor country” more than that!

Those millions aren't going to do her any good if she's arrested and sent to prison. And she certainly wouldn't be allowed to leave the country or even post bail most likely.

Best case scenario she gets a jury to nullify, but that's a dicey proposition.

Do you think someone will take their chances? She would have to be denied bail in order to not be able to seek asylum or you could it, not tell anyone, and then seek asylum.

Yes, someone will probably try because these sad cases are a lot more common than people realize.

But you just know that every conservative prosecutor in the no abortion states is frothing at the mouth at the idea of holding the first trial of an abortion doctor and locking that person up for decades (or life), so I can see the reluctance of a doctor to throw their life away. There definitely won't be any bail given, since they could just go to a blue state and get "asylum."

I guess eventually their state would elect a pro-choice governor who would pardon (assuming no state actually approves the death penalty for an abortion doctor).

Will conservative prosecutors in Pennsylvania try to extradite an Ohio doctor to Ohio authorities?

[HillGoose]

can one of the republicans explain to me how this isn't a straight up communist decision? literally giving the big govt control over ppl's medical decisions.

i mean do u guys not see the slippery slope towards the possibility they could implement big govt death panels and forcibly euthanize ppl. bcuz now the govt gets to decide everybody's medical decisions.

[OSR stands with Israel]

can one of the republicans explain to me how this isn't a straight up communist decision? literally giving the big govt control over ppl's medical decisions.

i mean do u guys not see the slippery slope towards big govt death panels forcibly euthanizing ppl. bcuz now the govt gets to decide everybody's medical decisions.

I mean the government has laws against murder and if someone thinks its murder they will obviously support banning it.

Keep in mind Ron Paul , one of the most principled libertarians you can find I believe supports banning it too.

[Brittain33]

How is pitching crude anti-Semitism consistent with being a principled Libertarian?

[Brittain33]

Kavanaugh was protested while dining at a Morton’s Steakhouse in Washington D.C.

Justices seem unhappy that they’re being exposed to the kind of vigorous free speech and dissent that Planned Parenthood had operated under for decades with their approval.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Kavanaugh was protested while dining at a Morton’s Steakhouse in Washington D.C.

Justices seem unhappy that they’re being exposed to the kind of vigorous free speech and dissent that Planned Parenthood had operated under for decades with their approval.

Look Kavanaugh is of the simple opinion that politics shouldn’t interfere with his personal life, granted his politics can interfere with yours but not vice versa

[Inmate Trump]

Kavanaugh was protested while dining at a Morton’s Steakhouse in Washington D.C.

Justices seem unhappy that they’re being exposed to the kind of vigorous free speech and dissent that Planned Parenthood had operated under for decades with their approval.

As long as the protests were not violent, there’s no problem with protesters protesting. Did he honestly expect this wouldn’t happen?

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1545371209893908485

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1545486190270455810

[American2020]

We've a left-wing Irish parlementarian named Mick Wallace who accuses Obama to break his promises about abortion.

https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/1545285152527552512

It seems many far-left militants hate more democrats than they hate republicans.

[Hermit For Peace]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1545486190270455810

Tell me why people should vote the Republican Party? Do they enjoy being threatened and having their freedoms taken away? What is their I.Q. level?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

What is their I.Q. level?

Hopefully they wouldn't be able to tell you, since people who know their own IQs off the tops of their heads are some of the most insufferable pricks in America.

[Progressive Pessimist]

What is their I.Q. level?

Hopefully they wouldn't be able to tell you, since people who know their own IQs off the tops of their heads are some of the most insufferable pricks in America.

Agreed. IQ is a completely asinine concept on top of that. All it really tells you about somebody is how good they are at taking an IQ test. It has no real meaning or practicality.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

[Dr. Arch]

Here's to pregnant women beginning to claim additional dependents on tax returns. You can't have it both ways, indeed.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

So now 17 year olds can vote and 20 year olds drink?

[Skill and Chance]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

So now 17 year olds can vote and 20 year olds drink?

Those are both tied to an adult being a specific age, so I don't see how a pregnancy would be relevant.

A more interesting question would be deportation of a pregnant woman, but that probably wouldn't come up unless fetal personhood was recognized at the federal level.

[Hermit For Peace]

Good for her. And guaranteed there's more creative thinking to come.

[HisGrace]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

[jojoju1998]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

[Skill and Chance]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.  It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had.

With all due respect, not only is your overall conclusion wrong here, but the bolded part is simply not grounded in anything resembling reality and completely ignores almost every major political lesson of the last decade.

[Skill and Chance]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had.

With all due respect, not only is your overall conclusion wrong here, but the bolded part is simply not grounded in anything resembling reality and completely ignores almost every major political lesson of the last decade.

If federal abortion policy can be set with only 50 senate votes or even worse, by executive order, it will flip-flip between banned and legalized every time the opposite party takes office.  We see this with the Mexico City Policy, which has been immediately repealed by every Democratic president and then immediately reinstated by every Republican president since Reagan.

[Pericles]

I'm pretty sure they say that abortion laws are designed to protect 'potential life' so they get around this problem, and the Supreme Court did not touch the idea of fetal personhood. This would be a problem for states that use that method to ban abortions though.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had.

With all due respect, not only is your overall conclusion wrong here, but the bolded part is simply not grounded in anything resembling reality and completely ignores almost every major political lesson of the last decade.

If federal abortion policy can be set with only 50 senate votes or even worse, by executive order, it will flip-flip between banned and legalized every time the opposite party takes office.  We see this with the Mexico City Policy, which has been immediately repealed by every Democratic president and then immediately reinstated by every Republican president since Reagan.

Elections have consequences; that’s kind of the idea.